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Government must have vote on Brexit

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Ginny42 Tue 24-Jan-17 10:33:55

Supreme Court has ruled that Parliament must vote on whether the government can start the Brexit process.

This means Theresa May cannot begin talks with the EU until MPs and peers give their backing - although BBC says this is likely to happen in time for the government's 31st March deadline.

Howver, the court ruled the Scottish Parliament and Welsh and Northern Ireland assemblies did not need a say. Not sure why.

David Davis to make a statement to MPs at 12:30.

However wasn't British law, sovereignty largely what a Brexit was about and this is a judgement by the highest court in the land. As Theresa May was originally a remainer, do you think she's been secretly hoping this would happen?

Ankers Wed 25-Jan-17 06:26:48

No it is not possible!

I am not going to agree with you, for starters!!! grin but I am being serious too.

daphnedill Wed 25-Jan-17 01:35:31

Of course it's possible!

It's no wonder the country is going to the dogs when people have such negative attitudes.

Mair Wed 25-Jan-17 00:24:09

whitewave
I want a Brexit that reflects and benefits the entire population of the United Kingdom

Thats not possible when thee population is bitterly divided. There cannot be a solution to please everyone, so as part of the minority, you want the majority to give up the right to have our wishes implemented to keep the minority Remain voters happy.

Had Remain won, would you be saying that you wanted changes to the
country reflecting Brexiters wishes too, i.e maybe some kind of Norway or Swiss deal?

Ana Tue 24-Jan-17 18:13:56

It's going to be difficult to agree terms, as of course no negotiations can take place with the EU until after Article 50 has been triggered, so no guarantees can be given by the government to MPs as to the outcome.

daphnedill Tue 24-Jan-17 18:05:45

MPs are supposed to represent all their constituents, even if they didn't vote for them. If there is a sizeable minority (in my case just fractionally short of 50%) who voted Remain, an MP has a duty to voice their concerns. Nationally, 48% of those eligible to vote, voted Remain and they have a right to be heard.

Ginny42 Tue 24-Jan-17 18:05:01

Circumstances have changed dramatically since the referendum when the majority - including Boris and Gove - believed, and the Tory manifesto stated that, the UK could remain in the single market. Things have moved on since the vote and now we have a clearer picture of the future.

I think that alone is a good enough reason for MPs to vote for what they NOW see the best for Britain.

whitewave Tue 24-Jan-17 18:00:34

If they always listened to their constituents we'd have the death penalty

Craicon Tue 24-Jan-17 17:51:44

MP's aren't required to represent the wishes of their constituents.
How could they, as the range of options will be varied across the spectrum?

In a general election, you vote for the person that you feel will best represent your interests. The person elected as your MP is the one with the most votes.

Once elected, how they vote in Parliament is up to them (and the political party they belong to).

Ana Tue 24-Jan-17 16:28:00

The government plans to introduce the Bill on Thursday...

whitewave Tue 24-Jan-17 14:36:37

It definitely must not be rushed, we need to be very clever in our decisions and negotiations and ensure we are not stitched up nor suffer the consequences of ill thought through agreements. This is our grandchildrens future and as we have made this decision it is beholden to us to ensure their economic and societal security.

Ana Tue 24-Jan-17 14:04:51

Yes, no one's saying otherwise (but perhaps some of us think it won't be quite as long-drawn-out a process as others do)

rosesarered Tue 24-Jan-17 14:03:08

Quite.smile

whitewave Tue 24-Jan-17 14:02:13

Some MPs who voted leave may well be alarmed at some of the proposals so will welcome the chance to argue that what the government is proposing is not in the British interest.

Some who voted remain may welcome some of the government proposals and welcome the chance to speak in favour. We - the people have voted to leave - that is going to happen - the final outcome and all its complicated intricacies will be decided by Parliament and that is exactly how it should be.

rosesarered Tue 24-Jan-17 14:01:02

I expect he was tired of answering many questions which were exactly the same!

whitewave Tue 24-Jan-17 13:57:39

I thought he'd sounded peevish.

rosesarered Tue 24-Jan-17 13:53:45

MP's will have a say in all sorts of votes to come.The people ( not MP's who do represent us) will not be having any more say) Some MP's who are Remainers may well have a constituency which mainly voted Leave, and the reverse as well.
Just watched David Davis, and the answers all seemed sensible.

whitewave Tue 24-Jan-17 13:52:51

I think that the argument has now moved on from leave/remain and is now about the sort of Britain we want post Brexit. The vote to trigger Article 50 is going to be voted on because the Government would be acting illegally if they didn't put it to the people via Parliament.

So we are going to leave, that is clear. We now move into the next phase.

What sort of Brexit?

Luckygirl Tue 24-Jan-17 13:47:05

I'm puzzled as May said it would go to a vote in parliament, but if the vote went against Brexit then it would go ahead anyway. I have slightly lost the plot.

Anya Tue 24-Jan-17 13:46:17

This will be interesting - a stand off between those electors who voted 'leave' and their 'remain' MP, who was elected to reflect their wishes hmm

whitewave Tue 24-Jan-17 13:33:42

There are extreme Brexiters - largely UKIP supporters, and then there are those with more level heads - these are the people who should now be listened to.

tanith Tue 24-Jan-17 13:31:16

Thanks Ginny42 hopefully it will make it less hard.

Anniebach Tue 24-Jan-17 13:23:44

I fully agree with parliment voting on the terms of leaving .

Ginny42 Tue 24-Jan-17 13:01:26

Absolutely agree with you ww. This would also diminish a hard Brexit to something less harsh and a compromise for people feeling disenfranchised by such a narrow win last June. That's what would make the difference Tanith.

This is a far more transparent way to deal with such a huge issue and actually strengthens Parliament.

whitewave Tue 24-Jan-17 11:42:28

I want a Brexit that reflects and benefits the entire population of the United Kingdom.

rosesarered Tue 24-Jan-17 11:37:06

That's what I thought Ana 11.31.14