Government must have vote on Brexit

This may be helpful from
www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/principal/whips/

Defying a three-line whip is very serious, and has occasionally resulted in the whip being withdrawn from an MP or Lord. This means that the Member is effectively expelled from their party (but keeps their seat) and must sit as an independent until the whip is restored.

Just home and catching up with this debate. It's clearly moving fast, both here and in Westminster!

Jo Stevens has resigned.

Oops. I have posted on the wrong thread. Apologies. I will leave this one where I fear I am intruding in a private battle.

I think I'm seeing double.

Don't understand, Cunco.
BBC in 2005?

I agree with you, varian, but in the current mood of Tooting Popular Front politics and kakistocracy (I do like that word), that doesn't seem to matter.

In January 2005, an independent panel report into BBC news coverage of the EU concluded, among other things, that:

'In short, we think that the BBC's coverage of EU news needs to be improved and to be made more demonstrably impartial.'

The fact that the BBC Governors requested an independent report means that there was a question to answer. It took a long time before there was any noticeable change and many are still waiting for genuine impartiality.

You have great knowledge of what was discussed at test particular selection, you even know what was in the CV's. You have no problem with other women MP's who were selected from a woman only short list or you would have complained about those too. You do hsve a problem with Tulip and her skin colour.

AnnieB
Do me the courtesy of not attributing to me your prejudiced projections of what I know and think.


To do so makes you look like a bigot or worse, a liar.Your post is utterly out of order.

The MP is a representative, not a delegate. Her duty is to exercise her own best judgement about what is best for her constituents and the country, not take instructions from the voters.

I think ab just typed Leave instead of Remain.

X posts!

....except that the strong Leave constituency would hope that he would not go against the whip!
They would want him to help trigger article 50

Yes, I know that TriciaF. But in this case I thought the party line was to vote the Brexit bill through, so going against the whip would not be in the interests of constituents who mainly voted to Leave.

Ana wrote:
"If their constituency is a strong leave they should vote against the whip? Why?"
Because an MP is chosen by their constituents so that he/she should represent their views in Parliament. Not just be a puppet party member.
That's what I always thought anyway.

I suppose it depends on how he defines 'working class'.

www.5050parliament.co.uk/

Corbyn wants 50% of Labour MPs to be women by 2020.

Cameron wanted to show that Tory MPs were from the working class, and changed his mind on the photoshoot as he could only find 14!

I don't understand the logic of that either, Annie. If they do, they're possibly handing the seat to UKIP, if it's a marginal.

My DD lives in Manchester Wythenshawe, so Jeff Smith is her MP. She even helped canvas for him in the last election. There's a huge student population and the LibDem lost as a result of student loans. The vast majority of university students wanted to stay in the EU. I don't know anything about the local party, but I'd be surprised if they deselect Smith.

However, I can't see how Labour as a party or the individual MPs would gain from defying the whip, apart from making a point about rebelling against Corbyn.

If their constituency is a strong leave they should vote against the whip? Why?

The young MP's in the shadow cabinet have no need to be concerned, they csn be promoted to the shadow cabinet when the party is free of Corbyn . I am very loyal to the Labour Party - yes a surprise - but I think the MP's should vote against the whip if their constituency is a strong leave , big difference because the decision was made by a referendum .

I know a couple of people involved with Cambridge Labour Party. AFAIK they're happy with Daniel Zeichner, who seems to be a conscientious MP. However, it's a marginal seat and the LibDems are strong. If Zeichner hadn't stuck to his guns, I think he would be defeated heavily in an election.

It is up to the local party Daphne, they can bring in a vote of no confidence , up to them . A party leader cannot deselect , voters put the MP in not the leader

I am not against women only short lists, now if a labour member said as that awful UKIP member said - women should be st home cleaning behind the fridge I would expect him to be thrown out of the party

Thanks for that, Annie. Would deselction only take place for the next election?

If any if the shadow cabinet vote against the whip they resign, if their constituency are in disagreement there can be a move by their local,party to deselection them. If they like Corbyn constantly vote against the ship thry remain on the back benches.

Daniel Zeichner and Jeff Smith are white men. I wonder who selected them.