I agree thatbags - and the more the media concentrate on pettiness the less they will concentrate on what really does matter to the world.
I must warn DH to stop charging off ahead of me in case people consider him to be a boor and ungentlemanly.
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(361 Posts)Certain pictures and 'stories' about Donald and Melania Trump are appearing repeatedly on Twitter. It's interesting to compare interpretations.
This one, where Donald gets out of the limo and goes up the steps to meet the Obamas while Melania gets out of the far side of the vehicle and walks up by herself has provoked a lot of discussion reaction.
The most common interpretation is that Donald is a boor/ungentlemanly for not waiting for Melania and walking up the steps with her. I suspect this is based on the premise that he's a boor anyway and, besides, people hate him.
Another interpretation is that he is more of a gender egalitarian than we think because he was behaving just as he would have done if Melania were a man.
The latter interpretation made me wonder if Theresa May 'waits for' Philip May in similar circumstances or whether he just 'follows' in due course?
I want the press to challenge Trump and Trumpism in a responsible way. Even the New York Times is going in for Fussbook level non-reporting, not supported, tittle-tattle about Trump and his administration. It's not good enough.
Which is just as worrying as the man they hate.
Tricia 
But perhaps I am used to eastern European names so it seems quite normal to me.
It's not that I'm defending Trump, ww, more that I'm criticising the hate-mongers. I'm as worried as anyone (well, worried, anyway) about What He Might Do but the stupidity and pettiness of much of the press and social media outpouring is ridiculous.
So there's your answer, not defending anything but criticising something. The "goodies" in the media war on Trump are being idiots.
I looked at the clip yggdrasil posted and I didn't see the same thing at all. I saw her nod and smile at Donald then look down to pray then look sideways and downwards at someone next to her with a frown. Perhaps Barron (out of shot) was saying something to her and she was giving him a 'mother's look' to warn him to be quiet.
Or is it just me.
I agree with gillybob
Ham and Payton then go on to give more examples of Fussbook level made up 'news' that has no corroboration, not even anonymous corroboration. Essentially, the shouters of "Love trumps hate!", are spewing out a vomit of hate. A little more reflection wouldn't go amiss, especially as this media vomit is, in part, exactly what made previous voters for Obama turn around and vote for Trump.
No idea if anyone here knows him Gillybob, I think people can judge fairly a man after hearing his views on torture etc
What will affect the American people and more importantly us are his policies.
So far climate change denier is a major worry.
Protectionism - if he really means it - means a closed door after Brexit.
If I was a Muslim I wouldn't feel very comfortable either.
As a former model, I cannot imagine that she would feel in the slightest bit awkward walking up those stairs alone. without the strong arm of a man to keep her up
x post thatbags
It's almost inevitable that Trump will have an effect on the UK and we shouldn't dismiss that. I only hope we have politicians and negotiators who will look out for British interests. I also think that his opinions on human rights and climate change will spill out on to the global stage.
However, I agree about the Melania memes. I care as little about her as I do about Angelina Jolie or the Kardashians. I know there are nude and semi-nude photos circulating from her model days and I wonder how the British would have reacted, if similar pictures had ever been found of Samantha Cameron, but they're not our problem.
Michelle Obama had some pretty horrible stuff written about her and I think Melania will never be able to compare with her as First Lady. I assume Melania realised what being First Lady was all about when Donald told her he was running. Personally, I could never have married him in the first place, but she made her own choices.
I'd rather forget about Melania and concentrate on what Trump actually does. Frankly, I don't think his opponents need additional ammunition.
TriciaF" melanin" is simply the pigment which is varying degrees is responsible for hair, skin, eye colouring. It is responsible for our sun tan if we go on that sort of holiday!
"Melanin: The pigment that gives human skin, hair, and eyes their color. Dark-skinned people have more melanin in their skin than light-skinned people have. Melanin is produced by cells called melanocytes."
Do you feel the same about the more common name "Melanie"?
That is a good point, ww. I've just heard it made by Bre Payton and Mary Katharine Ham (Federalist Radio Hour on the Trump Inauguration) but in a different way. They were talking about what they see as Democrats' "scatter gun" approach to Trump: instead of focussing on a few really important things, they are blasting everything and anything to do with Trump, even, for instance, why the press wasn't allowed into the hotel where he was going to be staying the day before he arrived (to anyone with a brain it's obvious that security measures had to be arranged and put in place; a few American presidents have been assassinated) and some hooha about him avoiding the press when all he did was go and get some dinner in privacy.
Similarly, as you say, Melania is a distraction, part of the scatter gun hits.
iPad spelt her name incorrectly. I am fed-up with my iPad at the moment it continually changes words I have typed. I haven't got time or inclination to continually check
I would think it courteous of a man, or a woman, to wait for their partner in this sort of situation, particularly here, where there must have been a certain degree of awkwardness, and perhaps trepidation on Melania's part.
As well as context mattering, the specific occasion also matters, which is why I think Trump was being a selfish boor of a man not waiting for his wife to greet the outgoing POTUS and his wife.
I've no idea about T&P May, but expect he would escort his wife In the 'half-a-step behind' way, in the manner that I've noticed with Hilary & Bill Clinton.
I agree about the prayer moment. In fact I don't think he was talking to M. all the time, but just a second before he turned.
Still, who can say, eh? Just very thankful I don't have such intense publicity to contend with.
None of us actually know him though Anniebach (do we?)
Melanie is a side track - she is entirely unimportant. If he treats her badly then she has it in her hands to change her life.
I still liked her outfit though
whitewave, all you have listed we have only recently learned of the man, no matter if his wife agrees with him or not she has to carry on for the next four years .
Whenever I hear her name I think of melanoma. And evidently there is a connection - comes from the Greek melaina which means black, dark.
A melanoma is a mole, a dark spot on the skin.
I think DT is just the "go to" hate figure of the moment.
We should be concentrating on making our own country great again instead of dissecting his every move and mannerism.
I too think the prayer face is the most likely reason for the vanishing smile .
I also think it difficult for many woman to understand how anyone would choose to marry this man
Are you defending him bags?
Can you ignore what has come out of his mouth?
Can you defend someone who against international law is considering using torture?
Can you defend someone who denies climate change simply for profit?
Can you defend someone whose lies are becoming the new truth
Can you defend someone whose politics of division will cause much hardship.
Well, whatever he said when he turned towards her seemed to have upset her very much - she looked near to tears.
Here is a man who, when campaigning, goaded the crowd to beat up a dissenter amongst them, who thinks that torturing people is entirely justified, who makes fun of a disabled man and who - amongst a number of coarse and insulting descriptions of women - calls a woman journalist a "dog". I don't see how anyone can say his behaviour or speech has been misinterpreted.
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