Melania and equality

oh, I think I see... the not looking half as good remark.

Haha! I'll have you know I've been called a lesbian when out with a female friend (I always wear flat shoes and always have), I've been taken for a "laddy" (well, the laddy wasn't sure) when riding my bicycle, assumed to be a vegetarian (me!? ha! again), and called a hippy, which I'm not, loads of times.

I still think bitching about attractive women just because one can because she's in the public eye and because one doesn't like her husband's politics is based of envy. And is a bad reflection on the people who do it.

"Oh no the argument used in every discussion about women since the year dot! Women who wear flat shoes are lesbians as well"

What was this in response to, trisher? Seems a bit out of the blue.

Thank you for replying thatbags.

Ah, yes, I had seen it. Probably via Twitter. Shrug. I think it's a revolting image. I do understand what it's 'saying', and I disagree. I have no problem with it being published. It's a political comment.

Snarking about Melania Trump's looks is not political comment. It's just bitching. If people want to bitch about her they have every right to do so but I can't help feeling they are doing themselves a disservice rather than her.

I think I can see what you're getting at though, pogs. Maybe the Steve Bell cartoon is political bitching. I suppose it is but it doesn't feel personal to me. I think he's attacking what he sees as the political position of the British Prime Minister with regard to the US President. Looks like old hat to me, only slightly different from the much scoffed at Blair and Bush 'relationship' because TM is a woman.

Oh so you don't agree with me then

Agreed, obviously to thatbags .

Agreed

Modern stomachs are clearly not so strong as they were in the 18th century! Tastes in satire changes over time.

Haven't seen it yet, pogs. I'll go and have a look. I suspect, in advance, that even if I think it offensive I still Steve Bell has a right to draw it and get it published.

thatbags

Forgive me for asking you in person but what did you think of the Steve Bell / Guardian cartoon I have mentioned at 18.11 ?

I certainly don't believe in it being banned, taken down, anything like that, certainly not my style to censure. It was a cartoon I found to be 'wanting' especially given the so called credibility of the source.

Hope I am not being pushy in asking for your thought.

Oh no the argument used in every discussion about women since the year dot! Women who wear flat shoes are lesbians as well

Yous appeared to have forgotten all the classical nudes in art too.

I expect the criticisers are just envious because they don't and never did look half as good, with or without plastic.

I imagine there are very few models who haven't done nude shots - it's practically in their job description! It's not as if she is posing nude in the Oval office or Government building - unlike the wife of the Speaker of the House of Commons. You may disagree with her husband's politics, by all means criticise that, but I don't think she deserves the comments, almost hatred, coming towards her. She may be the wife of a man who is disliked but she is also a human being with feelings.

And when was being a model a wrong thing to do?

Melania Trump has a son whose education she appears to be taking seriously (that'll be shouted down, I expect) so modelling, nude or otherwise, and "making the most of herself", is obviously not her entire be all and end all. Go on, criticise her mothering now.

BTW, I'm not particularly interested in MT but I do think the prejudice against her just for looking attractive (which is all it seems to be) needs challenging.

You're right about the hate roses, it's quite sad...and this from women who can't wait to jump on apparent misogyny in any shape or form in the media (especially the DM!)

In that case she will have to throw away all magazines and not watch pop videos or at actresses or anybody stunning looking in the public eye!
Teenagers are well aware that they make the best of themselves and that not everybody is beautiful anyway.It's one of life's lessons and most come to terms with it before they grow up.
It's a long way from that view to dissing everything possible about a woman who used to do modelling and is now married to a rich powerful man.
It simply smacks of hate, because she is married to him, and he is hated by some.

If we are not. to criticise women like Melania then we appear to accept the culture she represents. I for one totally reject this. I do not want my GD to grow up to believe that only smooth unwrinkled skin is beautiful and that she must aim for air-brushed perfection. I want her to recognise that real women have imperfections and that these imperfections are beautiful in themselves. That ,yes she should make the best of herself but that she should not regard this as her life's work. That real women want to be judged (like men) on their personal achievements and not just on the basis of how they look or who they married.

This is the sort of stuff that the late Diana Princess of Wales had to contend with, constant criticism.Not only do these women in the public eye have to be relentlessly gawped at and have their every move/word/ looks reported on, but by those who should know better.....other women!
There is nothing to criticise Melania Trump for djen, in answer to your 'why can't we criticise her'....how about a wee bit of milk of human kindness.

Yes, still waiting to hear about this 'violent language' that some of us condone...

Prison..?! You may ( or may not) be dismissed from a job....depends on how good you have been at it, if you lie about having a degree.
Who doesn't 'sex up' their cv's........

When I mentioned about Melania posing nude on Trump's plane, it wasn't to do with her posing nude, was it?

Wasn't it? Who has said she doesn't like publicity?

So now she's the president's wife, we aren't supposed to criticise her?

Did you criticise Michelle Obama when her husband became president? Bet you didn't...

Obvious innit Maizie... you say it is from or based on a Gillray cartoon .The Guardian feels it can publish something in such bad taste because it is showing T May ( a Tory PM) and Trump naked in bed.Would they have done this with a Labour female PM...I doubt it.
Btw you still haven't posted what violent language you have found on the thread....could this be because there isn't any?

It can be a crime to exaggerate your qualifications. Some people are given prison sentences for it, roses.