The Trump presidency

Yes, there are many, many governments that have extreme viewpoints and suppress what we know of as democracy. And many of us do protest at the very least by voicing our objections in ways available to us. However, it is true that leading world powers such as the USA, Russia and China do get more air and press time. Why seems obvious.

Victor Orbàn of Hungary is an extreme right leader and his victory in 2010 was based on the vow that he would snuff out liberalism and devote himself to establishing an "illiberal democracy". Did the world protest en masse against his ideas? Perhaps not enough, sadly. Hungary has a total population of approx. 9.9 million people. Might the size and impact determine the size of protest?

The same can be said of Pres. Fico of Slovakia(approx 5.4 million).

GracesGranMK2 is right. Two wrongs do not make a right.....but accusing others of hypocrisy if they are not visibly and audibly protesting re every past extreme government is just not appropriate, imo.., and it doesn't not lesson the importance of any current protest they may make.

I think the bombing of the Yemen started long before President Trump took office!!! President Obama maybe!!!!

Never miss an opportunity, eh?
<smiles and waves> ?

Yes and it seems especially on this thread.

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/trump_visit

Groups like this comment on everything.
I have heard over the past few days justification of Trump's visit by people say ing that we didn't object when the Chinese prime minister came. We did. There were massive crowds. People just have selective memories.

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Firecracker123 Sat 04-Feb-17 09:27:49
And there is the reason why people don't like posting on the politics threads. Do you really need to start insulting GN members or, if you do, perhaps you could make some reference to a positive case of hypocrisy not the ephemeral "you didn't comment on".

This is the typical alternative facts we are hearing. How do you actually know that people didn't commenting elsewhere. Do two wrongs now suddenly make a right. It instantly reminds me of Trump and his "he did it first" childish cry with the fictitious massacre thrown in to add weight. Yet another straw man argument designed to distract and confuse from what this man is actually doing.

I agree Petra, hypocrisy abounds, especially it seems with some posters on GN.

I had not heard of "sanctuary cities" Ankers.
Can you tell us more?

Did you march against these Petra? Well done.

Where were/are the protesters when Victor Oban, the president of Hungary said he wanted to build a wall and that "muslims were poison that Hungary wouldn't swallow"
And the same applies to president Robert Fico, president of Slovakia who said " muslims have no place in his country and we need to monitor all muslims"
That's ok though? Mustn't criticise anything in the eu.

My thoughts exactly,*GracesGran*!

What indeed Rinouchka and what will the public response be if it leads to another global crash I wonder.

I was delighted to learn of the Seattle Federal judge's full reversal of the executive order to refuse entry to immigrants from the 7 "outlawed" countries. Temporary reprieve, but good news nonetheless.

Next executive order: relax the Dodd-Frank financial control law, set up in 2010 to regulate banks post financial crisis. Dismantling or even relaxing this regulatory law is a typical Trump Business move.

Wonder what the public response will be to this?

That's a bit out of the blue as a question Ankers I had just put a point about the need to recognise everyone, even a President or Prime Minister are - and must be - subject to the law so I don't really know where sanctuary cities fit in. I think the answer is just that - I don't know enough about them and would have to send a couple of emails and do some research to find out more before I could answer I'm afraid.

What do you make of sanctuary cities GeacesGranMK2?

What really worries me is the outpouring we will see saying that the lawyers are denying the will of the people. There was so much of it over the Article 50 legal case. It really worries me that people either don't understand or don't care that if you do not balance the executive with the law you get a dictator, be it T May of Trump.

Well, the tide is turning. The travel ban looks like it's crumbling following a court ruling in Seattle and airlines being told to allow previously banned people to travel. A four month old baby girl from Iran is to be allowed to travel to the US with her family for heart surgery paid for by the law company representing the family.

Also, Trump nominee Vincent Viola, to be secretary of the Army, has withdrawn from list. Apparently because of business interests, but think he's the first to turn down DT's invitation.

A protester in Australia was photographed holding a placard which read: Build a wall round Trump. I will pay for it. Would be funny if not so serious.

Apparently Trump has said he wants women working for him to dress like women.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/women-respond-to-trump-telling-female-staff-to-dress-like-women_us_58949114e4b0406131364d64?section=us_women

These women have.

www.openrightsgroup.org/assets/images/site/display_images/CarelessLaws_Ban_480x330+60.jpg

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/02/cartoonists-are-loving-the-trump-era/

Changed my mind, having just seen this.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/kellyanne-conway-refugees-bowling-green-massacre-never-happened

Trump and Conway cannot be allowed to get away with lying like this. Keyboard warriors come in useful at times.
There would be no debate about Trump meeting the queen if it were not for keyboard warriors.
Monsanto would be allowed to use bee-killing insecticides if it were not for keyboard warriors.

Trump would be allowed to get away with anything he wanted to if it were not for keyboard warriors organising demonstrations.
The NHS would have been privatised completely by now if it were not for keyboard warriors organising and demonstrating.

Oh, well, in that case we'd better not bother and go off and do something else more useful.

I had already read some of the corporate dark money power one.
I would have no idea about the usa part really, but the Liam Fox/Britain side of things read as quite alarming. Assuming it is all true, or nearly all true.

I do think sometimes, that here we are rabbiting on, when the real and far bigger issues are happening elsewhere, and we know nothing, or virtually nothing about all of it.

Quite frankly, we must look rather small and silly to them at times.
Merely keyboard warriors.

Trump has absolutely no idea what he is doing.

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/patrick-cockburn-trump-s-travel-ban-is-not-just-divisive-but-a-gift-for-the-jihadists-a3454371.html