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Ana Mon 30-Jan-17 17:46:52

No, she got her visit in first, it's over and done with and other countries can now worry about whether or not to accept or issue invitations to the US President.

I really don't think T May considers Trump to be her new 'bestie'...what a strange think to think hmm

JessM Mon 30-Jan-17 17:41:59

Unseemly haste on the PM's past. He is obviously an appalling misogynist and loose cannon.
The bully is in charge and you rush up to him panting "I'll be your friend. Come to my party! Will you be my bestie?"
Never a good look.

rosesarered Mon 30-Jan-17 14:04:05

Maizie is your link to a left wing blogger by any chance?grin
The PM would have gone over there to congratulate Clinton had she won, just the same.Yes, good to remind of special bonds etc and try and get trade deals.Why not?
We will shortly be outside the EU and need to look to as many countries as possible, nothing wrong with that.

POGS Mon 30-Jan-17 13:55:34

Margaret X

'Leavers might well be rejoicing at the prospect of leaving the clutches of the evil EU but as a Remainer I am horrified at the prospect of falling into the clutches of states which are even more evil.'

Am I mistaken in believing you are resident in Germany?

I apologise if I am mistaken but if you are how are you a 'Remainer' were you able to vote? I thought there was an issue over voting rights abroad but I don't know what the facts are.

Ana Mon 30-Jan-17 13:07:02

Ha, ha yes of course - that'll be it!

whitewave Mon 30-Jan-17 13:05:37

Yes Brexit has made us needy

Beammeupscottie Mon 30-Jan-17 12:50:49

This Country needs America; we just have to live with Trump.

Anniebach Mon 30-Jan-17 12:48:56

I cannot support this crawling to America, but No matter who was PM they would have to do the same , we can't afford not to, wonder which country is next on the list.

MaizieD Mon 30-Jan-17 12:25:49

The sad thing is, roses, that had there not been a Brexit vote we wouldn't have to be kow towing to this monstrous man and begging for trade deals that are more than likely to involve having to accept lower safety standards on imported foodstuff (including accepting GM foods) and the sell off of the NHS to US companies. Being part of an EU trade deal protects us from all that at the moment. If we weren't 'leaving' it would have enabled us to keep our distance and be more positive in 'disapproving of his actions.

The same could be said about May's other 'cosying up' to Erdogan. His statement about accepting refugees felt a bit sickening when considered in conjiunction with his brutal repression of dissent and his steady progress to dictatorship.

For what it's worth, here is an assessment of May's recent invitation:

And then she invited him on a state visit, one of the greatest honours she can bestow and a sign of the British establishment's full embrace of the president. Britain has placed trade over principles many times before, and specifically in this manner. President Xi Jinping of China was given a state visit in 2015, much to the horror of human rights groups. He wandered round the country looking unimpressed while David Cameron, with pathetic eagerness, encouraged him to drink pints in a country pub. But at least that visit simply involved ignoring the long-established abuses in a state over which we realistically have little influence. Here, May was validating the path of a country over which we do have some influence as it embarked on an experiment in right-wing authoritarianism.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/01/30/trumped-may-left-damaged-by-early-contact-with-president

Leavers might well be rejoicing at the prospect of leaving the clutches of the evil EU but as a Remainer I am horrified at the prospect of falling into the clutches of states which are even more evil.

POGS Mon 30-Jan-17 12:21:42

Margaret X

'FR Merkel has told him she doesn't like it and he phoned her several times but I don't think she will go to see him yet.'

How many phone 'calls' have they had?. I know they a call on Saturday but I thought that was there first call in all honesty. When were the other times 'Trump rang Merkel'?.
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To say you don't think she will go and see him, are you confirming Merkel has been asked to go to meet Trump.?
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'She would love to throw in the towel and stay in the EU'

Where/why have you established that is the case?
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You say the people in Germany like Martin Schulz. Do you think he could beat Angela Merkel?

We are perhaps slightly limited as to German affairs in our media coverage so interesting to hear these things from somebody living in Germany.

petra Mon 30-Jan-17 12:10:13

I wonder if the reason people like Herr Schulz is because he said " Some people in the apparatuses of Brussels are indeed far decoupled from the reality which confronts people on a day to day basis"

MargaretX Mon 30-Jan-17 11:34:07

FR Merkel has told him she doesn't like it and he phoned her several times but I don't think she will go to see him yet. She has an election coming up this year and now has Herr Schulz standing against her, going for her Job and the people like him.

Someone has to stand up to him. T.May is now the wrong person for the job. She would love to throw in the towel and stay in the EU. There she would have back up against Trump
Even if he does agree with some of the points they agree on. How long will it last? He says things and cancels them almost in the same breath. Like a 5 year old.
Our safety in his hands! Doesn't bear thinking about.
I wonder how long will she be able to stand it.

rosesarered Mon 30-Jan-17 10:54:56

It shows that it all depends on your political viewpoints.....I would say that the PM had a very successful week, a potentially difficult meeting with Donald Trump safely negotiated, and ditto the meeting with Erdigan in Turkey.Because she gave a cautious and diplomatic reply( about the travel ban) is to her credit ( would you like Boris on the case?)A state visit later this year could do wonders to help trade deals with the US.If all Leaders of countries acted so 'nicely' ( in the original meaning of the word) as some posters who are free to say or do what their consciences dictate, then deals/meeting/ agreements/pacts would never be done.

whitewave Mon 30-Jan-17 10:10:25

What is so concerning is that some have argued that we can no longer afford to hold to our values, or our moral values because we need a trade deal. We are undoubtedly being seen as needy by the likes of Trump and ripe for picking. Is this what we voted for?

We as a nation, rightly or wrongly are defined by our values, and by associating ourselves to Trump sends out a clear message to the world about how we view the Muslim nations.

By doing so we put ourselves in peril from terrorist activity, as does Trump, although he doesn't seem to have worked that out, - saying that, the countries who have the largest terrorist communities Afghanistan and Pakistan are not on his list.

May needs to stand up and show strength and determination, that we cannot tolerate such actions from a vicious, ignorant bully.

JessM Mon 30-Jan-17 07:41:43

TM3 is full up but I think we might still want to talk about he PM.
As I start this thread she has not had a good week. Her assertions that she will steam ahead with Brexit without the approval of Parliament are in ruins. Her wish to keep her "negotiating strategy" secret, in tatters. A very unfortunate photograph of Trump holding her hand will be long remembered. Then, after being so pleased to be the first political leader of a foreign country to visit the new president, she invites him on a State Visit just before he causes an international furore about people from Muslim countries being allowed in the US. And to cap it all she stumbles in responding to this travel ban and has a huge petition against the state visit heading her way.