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Reluctant to join the discussion.

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morethan2 Wed 01-Feb-17 22:45:21

I occasionally drop in on the political threads. Just a quick look. Today I noted that there was a query of sorts saying that some of us regular uses never comment or join in the debate. I just wondered why? I know why I don't. Apart from the fact that I'm having a particularly difficult time dealing with family illness the reasons are.
1 the threads are far too long so I have difficulty keeping up
2 the posters seem so clever and politically acute that I don't feel I have enough knowledge.
3 I haven't got the time to check my facts so am reluctant to just express my feelings
4 the posters can be very robust if they don't agree with each other.
5 perhaps I'm a bit wimpish and can't take the backlash if I disagree with a post.
Maybe I'm a bit delicate. How do others feel?

Rigby46 Thu 02-Feb-17 17:34:37

It all depends on what the opinion or view is about surely? Some need to be predicated on a factual base others are related to a political philosophy or moral/ ethical viewpoint. So for example - there is a debate to be had about whether or nor child benefit should exist. There is no right or wrong answer to this factually but if someone posted ' I don't think CB should exist - why are we giving parents £50 a week per child' then it may be that their opinion or view is based on wrong information and that if they knew the real figure, their view might change.

whitewave Thu 02-Feb-17 17:33:21

I give it 2 weeks at the outside grin this "love in" is going to be a real challenge

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 17:31:06

Frankly, I don't want to read dumbed down politics or opinions based on little more than myth or prejudice. Therefore, I would hope that posters have a certain amount of knowledge.
I would hope that anyone who has an opinion would be welcome to join in.

I don't have a first in PPE from Oxford and I would have thought that anyone who had or wishes to debate politics at a more advanced level would be able to do so on another forum. This is Gransnet and grannies (and others who are not grannies) are surely allowed to have an opinion and express it on the news and politics threads.

Any attempt to discourage all from joining in smacks of elitism.

The truce won't last long if certain posters keep trying to tell people how to post
That is precisely the point!! At the risk of sounding rather cross, you are grumbling about posters daring to post on the political thread if they don't have a certain amount of knowledge. [disbelief]
Sorry, didn't want to get cross on this thread so I will wave my white flag.

gillybob Thu 02-Feb-17 17:29:54

I enjoy having my views challenged ww but there are ways and means of challenging an opinion that don't have to be nasty and or/have an air of "know it all" about them.

whitewave Thu 02-Feb-17 17:26:05

Not sure a political opinion is worth having if you refuse to let it be challenged.

gillybob Thu 02-Feb-17 17:22:42

You could try just ignoring any "nasty comments from another poster" Jalima I find it works for me. smile

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 17:21:21

Just as there is a place for the estranged thread, the crafting threads,and the book thread.
morethan quite.
and, indeed, ones about fluffy rabbits (or was it kittens? no doubt someone will correct me)

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 17:19:22

the very fact that this thread was started shows that there is an appetite for political threads that all could join in without fear of snide personal remarks.
It will work if Gransnet members want it to work.

I agree with that sentiment. What is the point of expressing an opinion based on your own thoughts, your own life experience or asking for clarification of someone else's point only to be demolished by personal and sometimes unpleasant (well, downright nasty) comments by another poster.

MaizieD Thu 02-Feb-17 17:13:20

Not sure about the percentages bit; that seemed a bit random. Relieved to see that I didn't side with Cons or UKIP on any issue. Some of the questions were not applicable to the UK

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 17:12:11

Apologies for taking so long to respond to your post but I have been out enjoying RL
wink

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 17:11:35

Somebody comes along with a viewpoint not based on evidence.
Ah, but daphne does a viewpoint have to be evidence-based? Can one not have a view, a strong feeling about something or someone and express it without being challenged to produce their evidence?
Sometimes that view has been formed over decades, from life experience, from observing.

A view is just that - a view or a feeling - an opinion
It is a pity if a poster cannot express an opinion without other posters demanding (sometimes quite aggressively) that they produce the evidence to back up their opinion.

whitewave Thu 02-Feb-17 16:58:49

?

Ana Thu 02-Feb-17 16:55:24

I didn't even look that far down.

whitewave Thu 02-Feb-17 16:50:34

I was 10% ukip I must have pressed the wrong button.

Ana Thu 02-Feb-17 16:41:56

I'm not so much shocked as mildly surprised! grin

thatbags Thu 02-Feb-17 16:29:51

dd, it wasn't a post of yours that made me defend the boat people phrase. Just so you know smile

Badenkate Thu 02-Feb-17 16:28:29

Why is anyone shocked? I came out as 85% Labour, 83% Green (which was a surprise), and only 41% Conservative and UKIP. I probably would have forecast that before I took it.

Greyduster Thu 02-Feb-17 16:19:57

You're not the only who is shocked, gillybob!

gillybob Thu 02-Feb-17 15:23:43

Blimey. I am shocked. Thank you for the link Mair (I think)

Anniebach Thu 02-Feb-17 15:01:08

Daphne, it was you who spoke of people having a certain amount of knowledge

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 14:59:43

Fortunately WW knowing about does not equate with being extreme.

Try this interesting link.

I think youll enjoy it.

uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

I am far from extreme

gillybob Thu 02-Feb-17 14:59:34

Of course you don't ignore me daphnedill quite the opposite actually. Whatever gave you that idea? I have really enjoyed our recent discussions. smile

My point (obviously poorly made) was a general one to anyone and everyone. Not to anyone in particular. Meaning that we all have an equal right to have a say. confused?

daphnedill Thu 02-Feb-17 14:54:34

gillybob I don't ignore you and I hope I haven't offended you. I think we actually want the same things. I find your posts interesting, because I've had some similar experiences.

nigglynellie Thu 02-Feb-17 14:51:50

Oh dear!!!!!!

daphnedill Thu 02-Feb-17 14:46:39

I agree with the poster who says the political threads would be better without constant sniping.