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Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

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whitewave Thu 09-Feb-17 08:16:20

Listening, watching and reading, I would say no.

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 11:16:33

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/17/care-cuts-may-have-fuelled-largest-rise-death-rates-50-years/

Who voted for this?
They'll soon not be able to complain about the vast number of baby boomers.

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 23:09:33

Libdems being hopeful.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/16/lib-dems-call-for-1p-income-tax-rise-to-provide-nhs-funding-boost

Somehow, after what happened with the budget, I don't think it will happen, even though the majority of the public wouldn't mind, according to many polls.

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 23:29:57

www.thecanary.co/2017/03/15/richard-branson-didnt-get-way-now-hes-suing-nhs/

This explains what Branson is doing.
Anyone live in Surrey?

Grandma2213 Wed 15-Mar-17 01:12:55

It's not just the money it's how it is used eg paying for private providers. My GP has taken early retirement. He told me the worry and overwork was making him ill and destroying his family. He has been on a committee of GPs which reported to the government 10 years ago what was going to happen with the increased demand.

Our local community is fighting against the closure of the A&E which is being replaced with a private 'Urgent Care Service'. The authorities say they cannot find the doctors to provide a 24 hour A&E so emergencies have had to travel 15 or more miles to the nearest hospitals where often they have to wait for hours because of the overload. Ambulances are queuing for hours because they cannot unload their patients. Since they have opened Urgent Care the ambulances have not been able to unload patients because Urgent Care does not meet the required medical criteria. This is not money well spent!!

There have been demonstrations outside the hospital for almost a year. Many of these demonstrators are elderly or disabled. The hospital staff privately commend them for their efforts but are not allowed to publicly support them.

Tories blame Labour. Labour blame Tory. The mismanagement of our brilliant NHS is criminal. They should have been training Doctors and Nurses years ago. It's not rocket science as they say. We baby boomers have been here since the late 1940s!

I could go on about Brexit and our wonderful European NHS staff but hey who's going to listen to me?! Despite that let me say that I have never yet met an NHS employee who has not been compassionate and professional.

durhamjen Tue 14-Mar-17 22:14:27

It's against Surrey county council and 8 commissioners.
Should be interesting.
Anyone get the hsj? All the links are to that article.

durhamjen Tue 14-Mar-17 22:08:36

This is what happens with the privatisation of NHS services.

www.hsj.co.uk/topics/legal/virgin-care-starts-legal-proceedings-against-nhs/7016425.article?blocktitle=News-(grid)&contentID=20682

I can't get the whole article up, but I've seen it on twitter, bit by bit.

durhamjen Sun 05-Mar-17 20:38:31

" Hammond is one of the UK’s richest MPs, and reportedly had a net worth of £8.2million in 2014. He made his money principally through nursing home development."

But no money for the NHS and social care?

durhamjen Sat 04-Mar-17 23:09:36

Hope it's just his ears, then. Fingers crossed for him.

whitewave Sat 04-Mar-17 23:06:36

Yes we think so. Vertigo and sickness which apparently could have been a stroke or ear thing or something more sinister. More tests next week - just hope we don't have to wait do long. They've ruled out heart.

Fingers crossed it's his ears..

durhamjen Sat 04-Mar-17 23:03:12

Is your husband okay, whitewave?

Penstemmon Sat 04-Mar-17 23:02:29

Hope your DH is OK.

durhamjen Sat 04-Mar-17 23:02:12

The NHS needs more money now. Both STPs and levies of any kind will be too late.

whitewave Sat 04-Mar-17 22:59:10

Just back from A&E with DH. Got there at 2.30 this afternoon. Arrived home at 9.30!!! I am exhausted! Staff splendid, simply understaffed and overworked as far as I could see.

It is a tragedy to let it get to this sort of state - we will lose a jewel if we let this slide through our fingers.

daphnedill Sat 04-Mar-17 22:51:51

The latest British Attitudes survey shows that the majority of the public is still happy with the NHS, although satisfaction has fallen since 2010.

The top reason for dissatisfation is waiting times and other issues related to resources. Very few people are dissatisfied with the quality of care. The vast majority of the public think that the NHS is underfunded. Where they differ is how improvements should be funded. People are divided about whether more should be paid through taxation or whether savings can be made. Some people are reluctant to pay more.

Nearly half of people who are dissatisfied with the NHS think that savings should be made by refusing to fund treatments which are poor value for money, such as cancer drugs which only extend life for a few months. This is, by far, the most popular chosen way of saving money.

natcen.ac.uk/our-research/research/british-social-attitudes/

A levy on pay would be a bad option, because so many people do not get paid through 'pay', including company directors, who pay themselves in dividends rather than income, and pensioners. It would need to have a different basis from NICs, which are a regressive tax.

daphnedill Sat 04-Mar-17 22:27:03

What's wrong with letting bias shine like a beacon?
So do others!

GracesGranMK2 Sat 04-Mar-17 22:09:27

I put this post on the 'Tories' thread but realise it might be at least as appropriate here. I hope this is OK.

There is an article in the Economist (March 4 -10) which talks about the NHS and says there is "little dispute about the present system's dire condition" and that Mays government has three possible choices, having already raided the separate capital budget for long-term investment moving £950m into its revenue budget in 2015-2016 which they say they will probably have to do again. The three long-term possibilities are:

Put in more cash. As a percentage of GDP spending on the NHS has been falling steadily since 2010. Mr Hammond has repeatedly said there is no new money available so may find this difficult.

The second suggestion they give is to promote new models of care in the NHS using the STPs that are being drawn up. The article points out that recent reports say that these lack executive authority, a constant vision and would need pooled budgets commissioned by a single body.

The article sees the last suggested solution is the most controversial - raising more money by either a social insurance system or inheritance levy. It draws on the German example of deduction from pay or, thinking of the young, without houses or pensions, a levy on estates worth over a certain amount.

It points out that everything is on the table currently and suggests the government is prepared to think the unthinkable - we shall soon see.

Penstemmon Sat 04-Mar-17 22:01:38

A lot of people today did not think the government had the British people's best interests at heart where the NHS is concerned!

durhamjen Sat 04-Mar-17 16:20:12

This is interesting. By Bernie Sander's brother.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/04/march-today-stop-pretending-we-cant-afford-nhs-public-healthcare-theresa-may

durhamjen Fri 03-Mar-17 19:38:09

An extremely detailed report on all the STPs.

nhscampaign.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=5f72f778439e38b1d18a28495&id=e76d1d6e4d&e=400b5458c0

You can look at as much or little detail as you want to.

durhamjen Fri 03-Mar-17 19:29:11

Patients being asked to volumteer to sleep in corridors.

nhsfunding.info/quality-of-care/nhs-staff-ask-least-bad-patients-sleep-corridors-amid-hospital-demand-crisis/

How has it come to that?

durhamjen Tue 28-Feb-17 20:43:01

"This is the context in which we found that Jeremy Hunt had lost hundreds of thousands of patients’ files – a service that is under-funded to the point of collapse, whose leaders are fighting amongst themselves.

Mr Hunt has known about the cock-up since at least last July. Now, what was happening in July last year that might encourage him to hide evidence that his NHS was incompetent? A dispute over contracts with junior doctors, perhaps?

In the House of Commons yesterday (February 27), he lied to fellow members, saying nobody had been harmed by the misplacement of the files. In fact, 537 cases of possible patient harm are being investigated right now, including 173 in which harm seems certain."

You would never have known this when watching Hunt's statement yesterday in the commons.

durhamjen Tue 28-Feb-17 19:44:45

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/lost-test-results-diagnosing-jeremy-hunt-with-terminal-incompetence

Definitely time Hunt went.

durhamjen Mon 27-Feb-17 15:34:41

I think the question has been answered now.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39101489

durhamjen Sat 25-Feb-17 15:01:36

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/rachel-clarke/how-do-you-keep-news-of-dozens-of-aes-closures-off-front-pages

durhamjen Fri 24-Feb-17 20:05:51

On the other hand....42% of EU doctors working in the NHS considering leaving, and 55% feel the government is not doing enough for international doctors.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-katharina-roberts/eu-referendum-migrants_b_14988212.html?utm_hp_ref=uk