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Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

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whitewave Thu 09-Feb-17 08:16:20

Listening, watching and reading, I would say no.

daphnedill Tue 21-Feb-17 08:54:53

Here's a link to the Kings Fund's actual response:

www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2017/02/what-next-sustainability-and-transformation-plans

Yes. it agrees that the changes should go ahead,

BUT (and it's a big BUT)

"Funds to invest in strengthening and redesigning care in the community – one of the top priorities in STPs – are in short supply, raising serious questions about the credibility of those plans that seek to reduce hospital capacity. Similar questions arise about proposals to prioritise prevention when public health budgets are being cut."

"The first is the need to adopt a realistic timescale for implementation of the plans that recognises how long it takes for innovations in care to become established and deliver results. The second is to create sufficient capacity to build on the foundations that have been laid already, when so much attention is being given to financial and operational pressures."

"In the immediate future, these challenges have to be addressed by using existing resources more effectively and setting aside planned increases in funding to support new care models. In the longer term, the need to find extra resources for social care is becoming ever more urgent, while the claims of the NHS will also require a response given the infinitesimal growth in its budget planned for 2018/19 and 2019/20. It is no longer credible for the government to argue that it has provided ‘the funding needed to deliver the NHS’s own plan’ when most of the additional funding identified in the 2015 Spending Review is being used to keep services afloat rather than to transform care."

In other words, closing acute services as a cost-cutting measure won't deliver improvement on their own. They need to be in tandem with changes and extra resources for community care and public funding, both of which have been cut drastically in the last six years.

Fitzy54 Tue 21-Feb-17 08:42:56

TV and newspaper reports this morning say that the Kings Fund is advising the Govt. that, on the whole (some caveats) they should approve and support the STPs, on the basis that they will improve care.

JessM Tue 21-Feb-17 07:47:55

The true scale of the planned hospital and service cuts in England is becoming clearer. This was, in part, what David Cameron was referring to when he referred to £22billion of "efficiency savings" during the last election campaign.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39031546

durhamjen Tue 21-Feb-17 00:10:27

Anyone in South Yorkshire?

inews.co.uk/nhs/staffing-shortage-forcing-drop-number-nhs-stroke-services/

durhamjen Mon 20-Feb-17 19:06:35

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/the-poor-state-of-child-health-in-the-uk/

durhamjen Mon 20-Feb-17 19:03:57

I bet this wasn't mentioned in the DM.

www.rcpch.ac.uk/state-of-child-health

JessM Mon 20-Feb-17 13:40:13

Even the Daily Mail is complaining today - headline is about thousands of beds that have been cut "by the NHS".

durhamjen Mon 20-Feb-17 11:50:45

Some NHS figures.

90% reduction in number of EU nationals applying to be nurses in Britain after Brexit vote.

5,000 government GP recruitment target by 2020.

100,000 more babies born in England in 2015 compared to 2001

3,500 shortage of midwives according to RCM

23% fall in number of people applying to be nurses after government axed the bursary scheme.

60,000 staff with EU nationality working in NHS.

24,000 unfilled nursing vacancies

JessM Mon 20-Feb-17 08:52:43

Odd, DJ after 2 years have passed. He's certainly a fan of distraction.

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 23:26:27

The auditor general says that there must be a limit to austerity. Eventually you are cutting front line services. I wonder how many conversations he had with Hunt and Osborne.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-implications-of-central-decision-making-for-the-delivery-of-frontline-services/

durhamjen Sat 18-Feb-17 23:48:31

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/18/charities-stop-nhs-rationing-critical-care

Hadn't realised that this was happening. It wasn't when my husband was diagnosed with cerebellar ataxia about ten years ago.

durhamjen Sat 18-Feb-17 22:28:34

At the same time Hunt has decided to hold an enquiry into the nursing and midwifery council.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/health/jeremy-hunt-nmc-investigation-morecambe-bay-scandal/

Why now? Why not earlier?
Not by any chance trying to deflect?

JessM Sat 18-Feb-17 21:48:31

Meanwhile a careful analysis attributes a rise in mortality in 2015 - 30,000 excess deaths - to NHS and social care cutbacks.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/17/health-cuts-most-likely-cause-major-rise-mortality-study-claims?CMP=twt_gu

POGS Sat 18-Feb-17 21:44:41

Context!

POGS Sat 18-Feb-17 21:43:48

My point is it is impolite and 'ill natured' to do so without agreement from the poster in question.

No doubt Annkers has got so used to this happening it is water off a ducks back but it doesn't sit right because it is a form of belittling., getting power over somebody.

I remember a right hooha when this happened years ago but Gransnet was different then and it was deemed to be against Forum Guidelines, now anything goes it seems.

MawBroon Sat 18-Feb-17 21:33:46

"At any time" -fat finger.

MawBroon Sat 18-Feb-17 21:33:15

Any can and may. I have made no secret of mine and neither have others. Nor have I a anybtime dnied a previous user name or attempted to mislead anybody so what is your somewhat ill-natured point?

POGS Sat 18-Feb-17 21:28:00

MawBroon

Should ALL posters with previous Usernames be subjected to having theirs printed, or just Ankers?

MawBroon Sat 18-Feb-17 21:06:08

I can think of three people (Ankers included ) who are or were very interested in this poster. One was called soontobe and the other obieone

Ana Sat 18-Feb-17 21:02:33

In the meantime, perhaps we can get back to the subject of the OP instead of you, you, you Ankers? grin

Ankers Sat 18-Feb-17 21:01:04

I find it all very weird.

Ankers Sat 18-Feb-17 21:00:38

Later on, I will write sometime. that lots of people seem interested in me. And you will all deny it!

Ankers Sat 18-Feb-17 20:59:47

mcem, definitely.
petra, both. That is the point.

petra Sat 18-Feb-17 20:56:04

Ankers it has been happening often or, it often happens ( as I would prefer to put it). Which statement: you are brainy, or your not.

Ana Sat 18-Feb-17 20:53:05

Please do, Ankers.