Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

Also, other cultures have multiple children, stick that in the pot. This country is well known for being a forgiving great place to be, without proper border control nothing will ever get better. The people that are blind to this are the people that don't give a damn about things other than themselves becoming richer, and of course there are less of these but they have the money and clout to twist things in their favour.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/17/health-cuts-most-likely-cause-major-rise-mortality-study-claims

The Guardian picked this story up as well. I wonder if any of the rightwing papers did.
Does anybody know?

*builders... that should have read. Do the math, it doesn't take a genius or a "statistic" compiler to tell us that.

For far too long immigration hasn't been dealt with in any real shape or form. Too many people have been allowed to come here to fill low end jobs that and are just not needed. I personally have never known so many polish plumbers.

We all know that the nhs is in crisis but guess what, this type of institution will never have enough funding.

The main reason for this is very very simple.... too many people. You can read a thousand articles but it still boils down to too many people using the service.

nhap.org/event/second-reading-of-the-nhs-reinstatement-bill/

Second reading of the NHS reinstatement bill next Friday.
You can email your MPs and ask them to be there, but only if they support the bill, please.

Well, are we supposed to rely on durhamjen's links?

How can you 'look around you' and determine what percentage of this, that and the other is causing the downfall of the NHS?

And everything you find will be true and correct Do none of you think that stats are doctored to say what the person publishing them wants everyone to think? Do you not actually look around yourselves to see what is really going on?

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/02/13/card-readers-on-hospital-beds-how-immigration-hysteria-broke

0.38% of the NHS budget.

Ankers, just google for the information you want. Dictionaries were fine for crosswords etc in the olden days!

inews.co.uk/nhs/revealed-nhs-gp-recruitment-crisis-40-approach-retirement/

This will be in tomorrow's inews.

well I'm a smoker and i can categorically state that with all the tax I've paid on my fags, i pay for myself and one other person on the nhs!

inews.co.uk/nhs/mobile-phone-device-helping-reduce-ae-admissions/

As if GPs don't have enough work.

inews.co.uk/nhs/pressure-smokers-obese-steer-patients-private-healthcare/

Should please the government, those who want it to be privatised.

Our durhamjen is at it again

inews.co.uk/nhs/telehealth-will-make-prisoner-home/

inews.co.uk/nhs/doctor-wont-see-now-plan-save-nhs-reducing-face-face-care/

Up to date figures from where? Do you seriously think that data produced by the government or anywhere else for that matter is accurate?

I dont think they are going to want me ringing them up 10 times a day!

Go to the library!

I keep having to double check mine. I think it now opens mon, wed and fri and half day sat! Or something like that?!

Most of the stuff we talk about on here needs up to date figures.
If something is in a book, it is likely to be already old!

dj gets lots of her links and other things from emails that are posted to her.

So when she quotes from them, they sometimes cannot be checked and verified.

We are supposed to go to the library to check something that dj was sent yesterday via her emails?!

Of course there will come a point when it is not cost effective, but we are nowhere near that yet.

£34 billion is what can be collected easily. The rest takes more time and effort, and tracing, but it's there. So even the base would pay for the NHS black hole of £22 billion. It makes me wonder why they do not want to even collect that. Must be because their friends will be affected.

DJ I take your point, but the tax gap doesn't seem to have been increasing over the last two years. I'm also a bit confused about his £120bn figure when we've been talking about £34bn. In any event as I said I'm totally with you about chasing the missing money, but much less confident that employing more people will be cost effective. There will always be a point at which that just doesn't help much, if at all.

Jalima, I have a dictionary next to me as I type.

inews.co.uk/nhs/nhs-cuts-excess-deaths-danny-dorling/

Tories definitely to blame for this.