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Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

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whitewave Thu 09-Feb-17 08:16:20

Listening, watching and reading, I would say no.

durhamjen Tue 25-Apr-17 19:19:46

Theresa May's plans for the NHS.

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/theresa-mays-secret-plans-to-replace-nhs-england-with-private-us-healthcare-system-kaiser-permanente/

durhamjen Sun 16-Apr-17 19:18:30

In two months time, the rest of the NHS will be sold off.

mavericksunite.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/the-biggest-nhs-sell-off-event-ever.html

durhamjen Sat 15-Apr-17 14:33:22

Has everyone concerned about the NHS signed this petition and put it on facebook?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171869

JessM Sat 15-Apr-17 09:02:19

This Guardian article highlights the critical state of medical staffing in many NHS trusts. They are having to pay over the odds to get doctors to give the needed cover in A and E etc. I was talking to a young doctor the other day at a social event. She said that 50% of the graduates in her year had not entered the NHS training scheme and were abroad/ working as locums etc
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/14/desperate-hospitals-beg-doctors-to-take-on-extra-shifts-at-95-an-hour?CMP=twt_gu

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 21:36:17

I know about Simon Stevens because when he took up the job as head of NHSE he was pictured with his sleeves rolled up walking the corridors of my local cottage hospital. Apparently it was the first hospital he worked in as a porter when he left school.
He promised everyone that it would be kept open.
The next year it was threatened with closure. They have closed the only ward. It has been supposed to have been opened for a few months now, but we are still waiting.
The council has designated the hospital as a community asset, so it cannot be closed. We shall see.

Maybe that's the idea,Azie. They bombard us with lots of different acronyms and groups so we do not know who runs what, then things get changed under the radar. Then we are told that they did tell us, we just didn't notice.

NHS Improvement is the latest.
I notice that Bruce Keogh has given up his job as medical director of NHSE and gone for something a bit safer.

Azie09 Mon 10-Apr-17 20:01:14

Thanks DJ, I had certainly seen some of those things. Not the petition or the name Simon Stevens. Hard to keep up with everything.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 16:49:50

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/migrant-activists-disrupt-department-of-health

I've just seen this on the opendemocracy link.
I never noticed it in any papers or on other websites.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 16:47:34

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs

Another blog.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 16:45:03

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171869

A petition to sign and put on facebook. It needs to reach 100,000 before the deadline for it to be discussed in parliament.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 16:41:34

Corbyn asks every week about the NHS. We need decent MSM that reports properly.

You must have seen something about STPs and the privatisation of the NHS, if only on here.
Lots of links from the 500 posts from February onwards.

Simon Stevens is the NHS boss responsible. Hunt has gone into hiding again.
Simon Stevens used to run United Health, a healthcare insurance company in the USA.
You must have seen articles about all the Tory donors who stand to benefit from the privatisation of the NHS.
Read www.nhap.org for other information on it.

Azie09 Mon 10-Apr-17 16:32:12

How can you have a national health service which is supposedly funded by the government but which the government is refusing to fund? Why are questions not being asked in Parliament? Who are the NHS bosses responsible for this initiative and who is overseeing what they are doing? All rhetorical questions I know with most people in the street, me included, not at all sure what any of us can do! We need a decent opposition party.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 16:26:05

He is Labour party, but he gets lots of information out before others do. He was writing about the Tory election fraud long before it was on Channel4 news. In fact, that's where they got it from.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 16:23:53

Just found it on the Independent website.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-plans-borrow-10-billion-hedge-funds-healthcare-desperate-treasury-gp-infrastructure-jim-mackey-a7675751.html

Azie09 Mon 10-Apr-17 16:23:52

I'm sure we are on our way to a privatised, insurance led health service but what worries me is the deterioration in services which is already happening, the lack of information out there and those poor souls becoming ill and needing help which won't be available.

Skwarkbox is new on me, it looks mostly Labour Party internal politics oriented. Have I got that wrong?

whitewave Mon 10-Apr-17 16:08:13

Hedge Fund bods will make mincemeat of the NHS bods. Just as the LAs were made mincemeat when negotiating PFI deals.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 15:51:24

Found that out by looking on social media, Azie! I don't normally look at the Telegraph.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 15:50:05

Watch out for signs of your pharmacy disappearing if you live in the country as opposed ot the city.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/26/exclusive-philip-hammond-jeremy-hunt-tell-theresa-may-secret/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 15:34:58

In 2011 when interest rates were 1.1%, other loans through PFI were taken out at 14% through hedge funds.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 15:22:52

No, I've looked for it elsewhere, too. I can only assume it's in the Times so that few people see it. I only got onto it through Skwawkbox, the sort of blog that people don't like. It has its uses.

Azie09 Mon 10-Apr-17 15:19:50

Is it helpful for the NHS to borrow yet more money? Why should anyone think that a low interest rate will be maintained, look what happened to PFI loans and student loans.

Not seen this report anywhere else. Maybe we need some social media exposure! hmm

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 13:32:39

By the way, almost 50% of hedge fund managers are Tory donors.
Stinks, doesn't it?

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 13:26:56

Another PFI type scheme specifically for the NHS, using money from hedge funds.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-seeks-10bn-cash-boost-from-hedge-funds-rqcmm0tq8?shareToken=ffb792624632771749513e2201607bec

"Health unions called the discussions a “cry for help” from managers. Hedge funds are investment companies, some of which are known for aggressive strategies. Simon Stevens, the head of NHS England, has agreed not to ask for more day-to-day funding after a spat with Downing Street this year, and negotiations in Whitehall now centre on cash for infrastructure.

Billions of pounds is needed for buildings, equipment and IT systems to implement Mr Stevens’s vision of tests and specialist care at GP surgeries, rapid-response teams to keep elderly people out of hospital and quicker and better treatment for cancer and mental illness. He warned last month that a lack of cash to get such services up and running was one of the “significant risks” to his plan.

A £5 billion maintenance backlog also needs to be cleared after years of raiding repair budgets to cover hospital overspending. “We have to be realistic because we are not going to get a £10 billion cheque to pay for all the transformation under way and the massive maintenance backlog, so we need to think long and hard about another way,” Mr Mackey said.

“Historically low interest rates are a golden opportunity for the NHS but we are constrained by rigid rules around borrowing that prevent us from taking action. An NHS fund could power the improvement needed to sort out problems at our hospitals and to drive the change required to get the NHS ready for future challenges.”

Ministers have accepted the need for some private cash after an official review concluded that £10 billion was required to boost an “insufficient” NHS infrastructure budget. However, they expect public money and land sales to provide most of it. "

Note it's Simon Stevens with the begging bowl, the man who said if the government gave the NHS an extra £10 billion, he could save it £22 billion.
Pleased he's not my accountant.

durhamjen Thu 06-Apr-17 22:34:27

£1000 charge for everyone wanting to come to work here from ouside the EEA. That's a charge on the employers.
6000 applications for the NHS in 2015, which would have cost £6 million.
The government will not exempt the NHS. They must think we have queues of people from the EU and the UK waiting to work in the NHS.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/06/immigration-skills-charge-could-hit-health-funding-for-years

durhamjen Wed 05-Apr-17 07:52:11

A step closer to privatisation.

calderdaleandkirklees999callforthenhs.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/dismay-at-deborah-orrs-unusually-ill-informed-article-on-simon-stevens-next-steps-for-sustainability-and-transformation-partnerships

durhamjen Tue 04-Apr-17 23:29:53

They are all so rich it will not matter to them. They can have their own private island, with any number of staff to give them whatever support they need.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/disability-report-being-disabled-britain

And, of course, if the disabled are treated like this, there will not be many disabled left to clog up the NHS.

I presume you mean 2020.

It's just so disheartening. You wish you could just shake people and wake them up to what's happening in this country.