Tony Blair

So many of the things said about Corbyn are so illogical and so contradictory it's a joke.
Firstly it's alleged he wasn't committed enough to the campaign OK so if that is true what possible difference would him taking 3 days off have made? In fact if it is true then perhaps he should have stayed away longer. Of course it isn't true and the weekend break is expanded to 'taking a holiday' just to have another reason for Corbyn bashing.
Then there's the not taking part in a TV debate, explained by him as being because he didn't want to be seen endorsing Cameron and Tory policies. A perfectly reasonable idea and presumably a decision taken with the advice and agreement of the party but blamed entirely on him.
Any attempt at political debate on most threads now is stifled by the Corbyn bashers who want to blame him for everything. He isn't perfect but nor is he the devil incarnate as some keep saying. He is the best Labour leader available for the moment .

Ah but isn't blair labour or supposedly, so why can't people mention corbyn. Another very strange man indeed.

"Even you should be able to see that 70% of Labour voters voting to remain is better thasn 39% of Tory voters voting to remain."

These quotes 'again'.

How do they know who voted what? I think I can understand the Labour figures if they asked 'every single' Labour 'Member' how they voted but the Labour membership is a spit in the ocean when it comes to these who vote for Labour in a General Election. Likewise any party.

What do those figures mean when Labour heartlands voted overwhelmingly for 'Leave'?

It is political spin to keep using the Labour 'Membership' figures as factual evidence as to how Labour voters voted.

I don't care what Blair did in the campaign.
This thread is about Blair, if you haven't noticed, either of you.
Like I said, if you want to deflect onto your usual anti-Corbyn rants, it shows you don't care about Blair, therefore he is inconsequential or irrelevant.

Unfortunately people tend to think "labour" is a party for the working class population and it isn't. That doesn't exist anymore.

People in these areas do however tend to vote labour still in that belief, and yes, these areas are Brexit mainly due to being so affected by mass immigration, affluent or rising aren't. Does no-one get this?

Jen, if you consider .blair to be inconsequential why do you ask what he did in the campaign , you care what he does if you wouldn't ask.

Cameron and Osbourne are not Labour Party members,

As for what happened to May, she became PM , she was not leader of the Conservative party during the campaign.

Well, he is supposed to be the Leader of the opposition, so it's quite natural that he'd be discussed more than a has-been like Blair.

Even you should be able to see that 70% of Labour voters voting to remain is better thasn 39% of Tory voters voting to remain.
Why does Corbyn get the flak and not Cameron or Osborne?

May was supposedly for remain. What happened to her?
Anyway, as I said, Blair is inconsequential. Nobody cares what he thinks now, not even on here. You spend more time discussing Corbyn than Blair.

You keep saying that, but surely even you can see that going away to stay in a hotel for three nights is not what 'everyone' does at the weekend.

Immaterial, Ana. You never get the point, do you?

I certainly don't 'go away' every weekend for three nights - do you durhamjen? how ridiculous!

Given the result of the referendum then yes Corbyn was closest to the tone of the nation - vote out . He did sod all , he let the party down

I don't blame Corbyn for losing Tory votes, I blame him for doing do little to win labour votes. I don't understand how you lay his failure to lead the party on others.

Thanks for the link, POGS.

"Corbyn’s spokesman has categorically denied any attempts of sabotage, insisting that the Labour leader put his heart and soul into the campaign.

A source close to the leader said: “Jeremy Corbyn and his team worked hard for the Labour in campaign. Jeremy made numerous appearances, countless speeches and a host of statements and ended up being the politician closest to the tone of the nation. The motivation of individuals making the allegations is questionable.” "

From the same article.
What did Phil Wilson do during the campaign?

There's one good thing; nobody cares less about Blair any more.

Taking a long weekend is not going on holiday. He was away for three nights. Friday Saturday and Sunday is three nights. In that case, everybody takes a holiday every weekend.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/corbyn-labour-in-for-britain-chair-phil-wilson-eu-referendum

Phil Wilson, who chaired the Labour In For Britain parliamentary group,

"It was clear last summer that Jeremy was only ever partially interested in keeping Britain in Europe and an honourable leader would bear the responsibility for the failure to persuade Labour voters to vote remain.”

He said: “He himself issued a note to all MPs on 17 September 2015 telling them that Labour would campaign to remain in the European Union. And yet he decided to go on holiday in the middle of the campaign. Did not visit the Labour heartlands of the north-east and raised esoteric issues such as TTIP which had no resonance on the doorstep.”

What do you think would have happened if Blair gave that speech before the referendum? Or even more speeches during the referendum debate? Would he have lost voters to leave?
Would he have gained voters for remain?
Should he have spoken up earlier?
What is the use of him doing it now?

Corbyn and others got 2/3rds of Labour voters to vote remain.
Only 39% of conservative voters voted remain.
Giving lots of television speeches didn't do any good there, did it?
Why are you not blaming Osborne and Cameron for losing the referendum? Doesn't suit your political stance, does it?
You can't blame Corbyn for losing Tory votes, can you?

Wouldn't know, Annie, I don't drink tea.

labourlist.org/2017/02/ukips-politics-of-hate-must-be-defeated-hatred-will-not-save-childrens-centres-corbyns-speech-to-councillors/

The man was never "labour" he was a freaky tory. As for those eyes, well! Gives me the creeps too.

Corbyn didn't go on holiday. He went away, in the UK, for three nights because it was his birthday.

What's the difference between 'going on hoiday' and 'going away'?

whst rubbish, allegedly visiting those places reached more people than a tv debate. he attended momentum arranged meetings, went away for three days because it was his birthday, bless, even queenie doesn't take three days off for her birthday.

Wales is not a large country, it is a strong labour country, one visit to Cardiff? I am fifty miles from there , what of Mid and North Wales?

As Alan Johnson appeared in tv debates he reached more people than Corbyn.

Blair is a Labour Party member , Corbyn party leader, what pathetic excuses , as weak as a third times used tea bag

durhamjen

I did not criticise it, unless you mean my pointing out it stated Boris could become Prime Minister.

I agree with your link when it says "thanks to Corbyn’s ambivalence".

durhamjen

Who are you getting your figures from re Corbyn in your post 15.19.

Unusually there is no link .

What a memory, POGS, 2007 and 2008. And you criticise my links for being six months old!