Labour now

Just a thought here, but perhaps if a person puts their faith in a certain politician and then that politician says or does something that the person who supported them doesn't like or agree with, there is a greater sense of personal betrayal, which can turn into strong dislike.

I support the policies of a left wing Labour Party, and I am finding it hard to compromise. Also, compromising has not worked at the last two general elections. Before the vote of no confidence, Labour was influencing the government, ameliorating some of their harsher policies,which is surely was an opposition should do..

May be so Trisher but not enough to win a general election

I explained to Jen when she said her principles come before anything else, for me the homeless , those having their benefits cut, those on zero hour contracts , the vunerable come first and if helping them means compromise then I will compromise, this does not mean selling one's soul , it just means putting those in desperate need first .

Yes I do mean it when I say I do not post abusive comments,

Anniebach as my son posted when he resigned his party membership. "I always knew that as I got older I might move to the right, I just never expected the Labour Party to do it first." There are a great many disenchanted left wing people out there!

Trisher I do not post abusive comments

Do you actually believe that AB?

POGs I was a strong Labour supporter (my grandad insisted he was a communist) but I couldn't support the war in Iraq and Blair abandoning real socialist policies. The Lib Dems seemed for a while to be more left wing than the Labour Party, when they proved unreliable and aligned with the Conservatives I supported the Green Party. I came back to Labour when I saw Corbyn defeat the Blairites. I believe in socialist policies. I know my views are sometimes regarded as far left but I read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists when I was very young and it has stayed with me. It's said to be the book that won Labour the 1945 election.

Policies win elections

Leaders do too.

I cant decide whether you can have one without the other.

I give up if coming third in an election is held as an example of success for a party

Trisher I do not post abusive comments, yes the Libs gained votes with their tuition fees policy but Nick Clegg was respected too, and they didn't win an election did they?

I have never met a floating voter who supports far left or far right of any party

trisher

" But what do I know? I'm a floating voter!"

How are you a 'floating voter?'

(should have been a 'lost' in there somewhere!)

Yes won the Lib Debs lots of votes on the back of that policy, but they promptly all those and more when they caved in to the Tories during the coalition.

Not really a good example.

Read the second bit Annie and answer what is the point of constantly repeating the same abusive comments?
Policies win elections. The Lib Dems did well when they proposed the abolition of student loans-never happened but it got them votes.

Trisher, what is the point of long discussions on policies of a party with no chance of putting them into action ? Same as being constantly asked who do you want to replace the present leader, waste of time and thought .

I have said before I prefer to debate policies rather than personalities. In my opinion that is what politics should be about. I don't think anything shouldn't be debated just that perpetually posting the same things doesn't constitute debate and that some people who post agreements and support do so for their own reasons. If you can post about policies and ideas either left or right I think it leads to a much better debate than simply name calling and supporting name calling. But what do I know? I'm a floating voter!

When it comes to Corbyn some posters remind me of - if you haven't anything nice to say do not say anything.

It seems to me to be a perpetual thought by some posters that all things ' anti' centre/centre right/right of politics is fair game for discussion/debated.

Why is there equally a perpetual thought by some posters that all things left of politics should not be discussed/debated unless it conforms to being of a positive / kind nature ?

If you can answer with 'I don't take that view' , I believe in freedom to express a view whether to my liking or not, then for goodness sake stop trying to take things into the realms of personal denigration.

I disagree Trisher, if what you claim is correct that's politics, do you really expect me to remain silent over the destruction of the Labour Party? I will not , this is asking me to lie . You carry on supporting the destruction of the party,your choice . I really do not believe you think Corbyn will win a general election ,if you do you are mistaken ,he will not, he cannot

People who post on here are voters too Annie. If you think I'm being patronising I suggest you check out some of the messages of support you receive. They may not seem so but believe me the people who post them are not supporting the Labour ideals you have campaigned on, they are latching on to your comments as a way of furthering their own agenda and I think that is patronising to say the least.

I didn't say what comments I make to voters Trisher and please do not patronise me , find another way to get girlie giggles ? More adult yes?

Perhaps because you can't discuss Labour on here without making reference to how much you dislike and distrust him Annie? Pleased to hear you don't do it when you are canvassing. Well done!

Trisher, I have been involved in politics long enough to know how to campaign so no need for me to stay at home, we have excellent town councillors and I want to keep them for the good of the town . Just unusual in the run up to local elections to listen to views on the leader up there in London and not on the cut back in council services which are really affecting our county . I have been told it's the same in the north of the county.

How I express my views on Corbyn here will have no effect on you so why ask

If voters keep bringing up Corbyn perhaps you should stay at home Annie you're not going to increase the Labour vote by expressing your views about him are you? Don't expect you to agree with this, but one of the reasons the Tories keep support and power is because they do their fighting behind closed doors and present a united front to the public.

Rosesarered, I meant talking about him not vomiting

Perhaps the Lenin hat sticks in their throats?

'Voters keep bringing up Corbyn'........seems to me that that they are sick of him