Labour now

I don't think (but what do I know, I'm not a member) that Blair or Brown or any other leader lost or looses elections all on their own. From my point of view the LP stopped understanding what the working person needs - and the none working person or the working person in insecure work and (sorry to go on) the young person who cannot even guess what their working life will be like. So, of course, did the other parties but the Tories, at least, seem to have got the message that they need to know. Let's hope there has been more going on behind the scenes of the LP.

Jen, you denied asking that question.

What I said of Corbyn is true, as for people respecting me more? I don't expect respect for my political views, but I hope I have the respect of those who matter to me here for being honest

I just csnnot be bothered with post wigglers, if I say something incorrect I apologise .

By the way, you are still using personal abuse of Corbyn. You just can't help it, can you?
People will respect you more if you stop being negative and give your positive views of who you want to lead the party and why.

I didn't, Annie. I think you should check my post.
I said Blair had lost members. He did. I didn't use the word seats.
Brown gained a few thousand members. Corbyn gained more than double the number that there were in the 2010 election.

The membership is important, as they are the ones who go around on the doorstep at elections.

Niggly, thank you

True POGS, he and the party members knew we had lost when Gordon was heard saying that. I so remember when it was played back to him he just shrunk

Gordon Brown lost the 2010 election not Blair.

He made a big mistake with his 'Bigoted Woman' comment to labour supporter Gilliam Duffey.

When Labour can't see the view of the working man/woman without calling them bigots then they will loose support from their core voter, or what were their core voter.

Déjà vu ?

The party voting system changed under .milliband and then Momentum and the unions pounced when Corbyn was elected leader . I hsve never denied I voted for Corbyn, I change my views on him and withdrew my support , I cannot respect a liar and bsck stabber, he is both

Petra, I am baffled but quite sober

Annie get in there.

Jen, check you post , you asked why Blair lost the seats in the 2010 election and questioned why I didn't critcise Blair for thus, now you claim you didn't ask this !

I didn't say that, Annie. I said the Labour party lost 5 million members under Blair. It was actually a lot less ( I'm surprised you didn't pick me up on that) but it halved under Blair, from 400,000 to less than 200,000. It bumped along at roughly 200,000 until Corbyn came in, when it went up to higher than it had ever been under Blair.
By the way, the figures exclude affiliates.

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Jen, you claim to be a long time supporter if the Labour Party?

Blair left parliment in 2007 , yet you think him responsible fir losing the 2010 election

Surely Labour lost Scotland because it was seen as moving to the right , not the left. The SNP put forward an anti austerity message and won

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Deja vu. Owen and Williams say that the labour party should not split.

Not in the least AB - nothing you pile on the poor man is worth getting het up about to be honest but it does help me form an opinion of the LP. I was just giving you my truthful reaction to your everlasting pick, pick, picking of the man who was democratically voted leader of your party. I never see you offer policies or an alternative leader although I will admit I have got into the habit of not reading all your posts so I may have missed what you have suggested. I am still open to thinking about such suggestions. I am really interested in what the LP has to offer.

... and 'meow' AB - how sad and childish is that in reply to an honest view of how the LP are behaving as exampled by you on here.

That was one election, Annie. What about the 2010 election, where they had lost 5 million members, I think it was, under Blair.
Sad that, as a member, you think that is okay, and don't criticise Blair for that.

I agree with Jones that Corbyn’s policies are more likely to win an election than those of his Labour Party opponents. As he says correctly of those opponents - “They had no compelling or coherent alternative (to Corbyn)

Is this really true?

If it is, then I think the Labour Party could find itself out for 3 elections.

What an idiotic vitriolic post G.G! ab and I are poles apart politically which we both readily accept, but her opinions are both understood and respected as realistic and from a a position of conviction by me and I suspect, others who feel like me. Your comments are unworthy and unhelpful.

Meow

The personal abuse you offer AB certainly wouldn't help win mine whereas if you were arguing the policies you might. It just makes me wonder if I really could ever vote, almost particularly if it was someone you supported, for the Labour Party. Whoever it was would come under suspicion by association and I would want to know just how much they would be prepared to undermine the democracy of that party. I suppose if loosing your party votes is what you want that must seem a good outcome.

The party started to move to the left, voters were not happy with the fact Milliband was the leader elected by the unions .

Let us not forget Lsbour won three elections after 18 years in the wilderness , the same wilderness you want the party to return to Jen and you will be successful

Why did Labour lose the last two elections?

I haven't read or heard Corbyn is playing the victim card,

It shouldn't invite vitriol, though. He doesn't play the victim card; he IS victimised.
I am pleased that Hammond is getting his come-uppance now for the display on Wednesday. He probably thought that more people would notice his jokes about Corbyn and miss his policies.