Labour now

It's no good blaming me for another ten years of Conservatives in power durhamjen
But of those who put Corbyn where he is and those who continue to support him! unless he resigns that is very likely the outcome that you will get.

"What a copout, POGS, "dependent on who succeeds him of course."

Sorry, what is a cop- out when stating that?

durhamjen

" Why is it hypocritical to support whichever party's views are the same as yours?"

You rejoined because you liked Corbyn but his views were not/are not necessarily the views of the PLP/ Labour voters. There is a disconnect between the Corbynistas/Momentum and the PLP/Labour voters who are NOT activists or party members.

What will you do if Corbyn is no longer Labour Leader, will you be telling us to vote for The Greens etc. as you have done for as long I have noticed you posting.

It's a genuine question , what will keep you, trisher et al as Labour Members if your 'views' are no longer in line with the Labour PLP. I say PLP as presumably Momentum may go the way of Corbyn as Momentum is purely a party for Corbyn, not the Labour Party so things would/might revert back to the PLP making the decisions not unelected goodness knows whos.

GracesGran, The issue of higher educational attainment has been proved as far as it can be. Some of the research was done by one of DS's lecturers.

The method used was to map 2011 census answers against referendum results at a constituency level. Adjustments were made for age, because there were fewer opportunities for older people to take post-18 exams.

Obviously, the research couldn't be done at an individual level, but constituencies with more people with post 18 qualifications were more likely to vote Remain.

Educational achievement proved to be the most consistent indicator of voting.

And you are so upset about that, aren't you, roses?
Another ten years of Tory rule?

What a copout, POGS, "dependent on who succeeds him of course."
Have you noticed how all the people they suggest to succeed him are those who have only been MPs since 2015. It shows how poor the party hierarchy are that they cannot think of anyone who has been an MP for longer than that.
Every time anybody leaves his front bench, it's because they are finding out how many MPs will back them in a coup against Corbyn, according to the right wing media.
If he is so terrible, why can't they find someone who can stand against him?

At least ab sees what the problem is durhamjen and is not so blinkered that she can't see that with Corbyn at the helm Labour is a fast sinking ship!
It will probably take another two GE's now for Labour to regain power thanks to him and all his friends.

I think Labour lost Copeland because Corbyn is the Labour Leader.

From the start of his campaign to become Labour Leader he was hailed by his supporters for his stance on nuclear power and Trident. He was going to have a kinder politics.

What happened?

The voters in Copeland are not stupid just because Corbyn has now back tracked and think nuclear power is the way to go why should they believe him?. They simply did not trust him as Labour Leader, they had heard his rhetoric for years which 'was' anti nuclear . It doesn't matter how many times Copeland is described as a 'marginal seat' to try and mitigate the Labour defeat by the likes of Emily Thornberry et al Copeland was a safe Labour seat for decades.

If Corbyn is not Labour Leader at the next general election Copeland would probably be a Labour seat again, dependent on who succeeds him of course.

Fitzy, David Miliband is no longer an MP. Hadn't you noticed?
This is not the USA, where anyone who can pay for it can be elected president.

Yes, about ten years I should think.

For me, the biggest hypocrites are those who bang on about how Corbyn will never help the vulnerable as if the Tories will/are.
How on earth do you think your attitude is helping the Labour party, Annie?
You have given in.
You don't appear to say anything that will help the poor and the disabled, or the NHS. All you do is take every opportunity to criticise Corbyn, and those who do not.

I would think Labour's best chance of getting back into power is to elect a centrist leader like David Milliband. However I don't get the feeling that the membership are ready for that, so they must expect to remain in opposition for some time.

No Jen, Corbyn is not the party

As the discussion has moved to hypocrites, for me the biggest hypocrites are those who put loyalty to Corbyn before the welfare of the vunerable yet bang on every day how the Tories are letting down the vunerable.

You, Annie. All your comments are negative.

I would like to ask Trisher, who are the hypocrites who assert support for the Labour Party whilst undermining the same party with negative comments ?

Well said, trisher. Why is it hypocritical to support whichever party's views are the same as yours?
Since when was that hypocrisy? I thought we were all allowed to change our minds without being called hypocrites.

The one thing Corbyn is not is hypocritical, unlike some supoposed supporters of Labour who cannot say what policies they support.

trisher

If your post was in response to mine I had not picked up you had rejoined the Labour Party since Corbyn became Labour, I genuinely thought you had said you were still Lib Dem.

Now you have responded in part would you remain a Labour Party member if Corbyn resigns / get's shoved out and Labour returns to a more central ground ? Or would you revert back to the Lib Dems ?

Couldn't resist popping in to see if I was right- yep, off I go.

So Trisher you voted for Blair a centre party MP untill the Iraq war, you didn't vote for Milliband who had moved the party to the left but you voted for Corbyn because he was far left. Most unusual

I didn't return to supporting Labour because Corbyn was the leader but because I saw that the policies proposed were the ones that I have always believed in. I stopped supporting Labour when Blair took the country into an illegal war. I have always been and remain a pacifist and I could not support any party which acted in such a manner. It seemed to me and many others at the time that the Liberal party was much more left wing than Labour. I don't think it is hypocritical to change political allegiance when a party fails to deliver. I think it is much more hypocritical to assert your support for a party whilst undermining it with negative comments.
I don't particularly care who is the leader, I do care about the policies.

No Jen, Shame on him for betraying members who didn't know he had stabbed them in the back and worked against them.

Yes I do protest a lot, I have been loyal to the party for over fifty years and that man is destroying it , I will continue to post against him if he continues to drag the party down.

At least Anniebach has made it clear she has 'always' been a Labour supporter, unlike some posters who have repeatedly said they no longer supported Labour and told GN posters to vote for other parties over the years.

I can't believe the hypocrisy at times.

Corbyn becoming leader led to some posters 'rejoining' Labour as members. I wonder if Corbyn resigns/ get's pushed out if those who rejoined Labour as members because of Corbyn would go back to saying they no longer can support Labour?

Shame you helped vote him in then, Annie. You do protest a lot, don't you?

Is daphne a labour voter?

Jen, I am certaintly not doing the same as you, putting admiration for the worse leader ever before the party . I want the party to survive, you want Corbyn to survive

How can you post endlessly about the homeless , the poor, the disabled yet put this thing you have for Corbyn before them, he cannot help them Jen and I want them to be helped