Labour now

I returned to supporting the labour party because of the policies put forward by Jeremy Corbyn. I am not a communist, or a trotskyist or an anarchist. I don't belong to momentum or any other group. I am just an ordinary granny with old fashioned socialist views.

Little point in choosing a leader to replace Corbyn, Momentum and the unions will make sure he stays. He is doing so little as a leader but he has no concerns, he knows his job is safe, anyione standing against him would be faced with deselection ,

Still nobody has said who they would want as leader instead of Corbyn. Just prefer the blame game, as trisher says.

That's the case thatbags, that both the government and the Labour Party is being blamed for the mess we're in and rightly so.

That's a reference to my morning post and your response.

No, trisher, Labour is not being blamed instead of the government. Labour, well, its leader, is being blamed as well as the government.

trisher Fri 24-Feb-17 21:47:38

"I didn't return to supporting Labour because Corbyn was the leader but because I saw that the policies proposed were the ones that I have always believed in. I stopped supporting Labour when Blair took the country into an illegal war. I have always been and remain a pacifist and I could not support any party which acted in such a manner. It seemed to me and many others at the time that the Liberal party was much more left wing than Labour. I don't think it is hypocritical to change political allegiance when a party fails to deliver. I think it is much more hypocritical to assert your support for a party whilst undermining it with negative comments.

I don't particularly care who is the leader, I do care about the policies. "
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POGS Fri 24-Feb-17 23:03:54
trisher

If your post was in response to mine I had not picked up you had rejoined the Labour Party since Corbyn became Labour, I genuinely thought you had said you were still Lib Dem.

Now you have responded in part would you remain a Labour Party member if Corbyn resigns / get's shoved out and Labour returns to a more central ground ? Or would you revert back to the Lib Dems ?
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trisher Sat 25-Feb-17 10:37:01

POGS I don't know if I will support the Labour Party if it ditches Corbyn, it will depend on the policies it then espouses.
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You have stated on threads you were once Labour , left Labour because of Blair taking us into war and voted Lib Dem. Their policies were more akin to yours. You then state you returned to Labour when Corbyn became Labour Leader , because presumably you saw him having policies you could once again agree with.

It is not that I could write your posts for you, you need to remember what you write.

POGSas you seem to know so much about me perhaps I should just let you write posts for me. I never knew I returned to the Labour Party BECAUSE of Jeremy Corbyn!!! I seem to remember voting Labour in the last election but maybe that was wrong and I am just staggering steadily into senility.

I've been sitting on my hands to avoid getting further drawn into the polarised views on Corbyn but, I give in. Yes Corbyn brought back ex party members, including someone in my family, an anarchist who hasn't voted for 25 years. I haven't googled but I have read recently that Labour is losing members because of JC's leadership. That would be me then and several friends from our local party.

It isn't good enough to simply blame the 'right wing' BBC and press for the fact JC's coverage tends to be negative. Whilst this polarised discussion continues, so does the austerity, the slashing and burning of public services/nhs. The LP should be dominating the news media given the mess the government is making. Prisons and Police in melt down, areas of public service that traditionally look to the conservatives. I won't rant on about what's happening to the NHS, schools, social care because we all know, even those of us who deny it's the fault of this government.

Yes Corbyn has brought back ex party members back , from where? The Tories, Libs? No, from the communists , and this has driven centre and soft left members from the party.

trisher

" I really don't care who leads the Labour Party."

Of course you do .

You declare you left Labour because of Blair and returned when Corbyn became Labour Leader. Presumably neither Gordon Brown or Ed Milliband had policies that suited you,

I have asked you before would you 'stick' with Labour if Corbyn was no longer Leader , or would you go back to voting Lib Dem.

Your reply was

POGS I don't know if I will support the Labour Party if it ditches Corbyn, it will depend on the policies it then espouses.

I honestly believe yourself and others who have 'returned to the Labour Family' have done so BECAUSE of Corbyn and liked his policy of No Trident, No Nuclear etc. but he has not been able to take the party with him has he?

I totally understand your point of putting 'policy before who is Leader' but the two cannot be separated when the Leader is Corbyn and his views are slightly at odds to the PLP.

Corbyn as Leader of the Party and his views are exactly what has drawn ex Labour Party Members back.

To replace Corbyn we do not need anyone voted in in 2015,

Then deal with the Tory government as they are trisha .

I don't expect a flawless charismatic leader, I do expect a leader to lead from the front, not to run away and hide, yhjs thread is titled Labour Now, so naturally Corbyn will be discussed , just as May is discussed on threads relating to her party.

You said you don't care who leads the Labour Party, that is a vote winner

I was always taught that one should approach life as it is and deal with things as they are, but carry on with your pie-in-the-sky discussions. Meantime the government screws things up, but hey who cares when we can go round in circles about Corbyn?

They don't need to be flawless, or very charismatic though, just effective and Leadership material.

What ab says is the truth of it.I know it may be uncomfortable for anyone who does agree with what Corbyn says, because they want to see those Socialist policies put into practical use, but how will that ever happen with him at the helm?

So name your leader AB. The flawless charismatic person who will lead your party to victory.

I do care who leads the Labour Party, I care very much, a useless leader means victory for the government you critcise Trisher . You defend a leader you describe as an easy target , you are canpaigning to keep the Tories in power

I can see all sorts of flaws in most politicians rar that seem to be largely ignored and never mentioned by the media. I really don't care who leads the Labour Party. I do care that a government that is uncaring and with a very dodgy agenda is also incompetent, but no one seems to be interested in that, they're too busy firing missiles at an easy target.

Don't you see that he is a weak Leader trisher ? Even if you agree with his policies and general Socialist stance, does that mean you cannot see any flaws?

So we should not expect the leader of the oposition to - oppose?

Well there are two excellent examples of blaming Labour when the target should surely be the inadequate government.
But then it's a Blairite and a sports journalist writing, one shouldn't expect reasoned political challenges should one?

thatbags, the - frozen in time left wingery . So true of him. The audience at QT last night certaintly voiced their opinion on him, not favourably

I agree, ab. Tragic for the Party though his "leadership" (what leadership?) is, these comments did amuse me this morning:

"There is no store of gold in all the Aladdin’s caves in the world that could buy a hearing for the leader of the Labour party at the moment. I have always thought that his incompetence would do for Jeremy Corbyn before the public really even entered a verdict on his frozen in time left-wingery.
On Wednesday, just before prime minister’s questions, the chancellor, Philip Hammond, withdrew his plan to increase national insurance contributions on the self-employed. With that to go on, it was all but impossible for Mr Corbyn to lose the exchange, but that is to reckon without his priceless ineptitude." Philip Collins

"There is a media conspiracy, some twitterati suggest, to play down the government’s embarrassments and to amplify Labour’s failings. Any casual observer of parliament can see that Jeremy Corbyn is as effective as a fishnet condom, but to his keyboard warrior fans he is the sort of chap you used to see on Soviet posters with a firm chin, a thrust-out chest and a steely glare above the word “Forward”." Patrick Kidd

For me, if he cared for the party he would resign , and still no Corbyn supporter has offered an explanation to him declaring he was staying untill the job is done . What job?