English Scots for YES

I will refrain from commenting!

You are spot on Jalima. We have a village in this county called Three Cocks, a chap from England bought a house in the village then spent such a lot of money trying to have the name chsnged because his daughters were embarrassed , damn idiot, well Three Cocks still there , no idea where the fsmily moved to

anniebach it is rather like the 'townies' who buy an idyllic country retreat in a picturesque village then moan about the church bells and the cockerel crowing at 5am and the cow pats on the road spoiling their pristine 4x4s (perhaps I'm exaggerating about the cow pats!).

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-second-scottish-referendum_uk_58b3d763e4b0a8a9b783b940?

If anyone seriously wants to understand the reasons for the desire for an Independent Scotland you need to read some of the non Unionist media, such as the Huffington Post article above. Be sure to read the comments, where all the points raised on this thread are discussed and answered e.g.

Gordon Rae "I will quote Guy Verhofstadt, former Belgian PM and presently MEP, from a BBC Reporting Scotland interview, in English, on June 26th 2016. Interviewer: 'Could Scotland remain in the EU?' G V: 'Yes, of course it can, if it wants to.' Interviewer: 'But won't Scotland have to join the queue?' G V: 'No, why should it. It is in the EU, has been for 43 years, and if it becomes independent, it can remain in the EU. That is the law.' Interviewer: 'So, there will be no need for Scotland to re-apply?' G V: 'No need. Scotland is in now. We cannot change the law. It can remain in. It is Scotland's choice.' It was all over youtube at the time. Guy Verhofstadt knows a thing or two about the EU and is number 2 negotiator in the EU/UK negotiations."

This is why up thread I said everytime this issue comes up my heart sinks.
It always ends up with what has occurred in the past and the 'sassanach' kind of taunts.

The ballot box has spoken.

But Scotland will get more & more powers given to them at every new election

I'm am a proud Scot before anyone jumps on me!
But Scotland needs to look forward not backwards.

Thank you Fitzy that was exactly what I meant about better together.

I aged Elegran, I at times rant about England but I am ranting against those who think England is above the other three countries of the UK, English people who have moved here and complained one church service a month is in Welsh, complained that money is wasted on our Welsh school , close the school and put the money to better use. And BBC sports reporters who rabbit on in the commonwealth games about England's medals then follow with and Scotland, Wales and NI won etc. Not forgetting being told English taxes support Wales, I didn't know Wales was exempt from taxation .

I think the answer to that, Jalima is that for (some) Scots the image of "the English" is of Westminster and braying politicians, and of similar types who visit for the huntin' shootin' and fishin' season, but those who know or are related to ordinary English people regard them individually as friends.

People in the Northeast of England and other distant areas have much the same opinion of Westminster, but they don't call them "the English"

Why would you want the English as 'friends' if you think they are abusive

I will ask my Scottish friend when I meet her tomorrow

I don't really understand your rants paddyann.

You have representation at Westminster, a devolved Parliament, a very vociferous leader of the main party who gets more airtime than warrants the percentage of people she represents and have had plenty of sensible representation at Westminster for more years than any of us remember.

You could possibly have had a Westminster government more to the liking of the many Scots had you voted for Scottish Labour instead of deserting them for advocates of nationalism, which the majority of Scots turned down.
I agree, your posts could be construed as verging on the racist.
I wonder just why so many Scots prefer to live elsewhere around the world instead of staying and contributing their expertise and innovative skills to their own country?
Thank goodness they have, not least the fact that I have some lovely Scottish friends who live 'elsewhere' and the emigré Scots have benefited the rest of the world.

well said fitzy

Maizie- Rises simply said that she thinks we are (as the majority of the Scottish people agreed) "better together". That was the view of most Scots in the referendum vote. Do you have anything to say to them? For example, "there are a significant majority of Scots who would very much like to remain a part of the UK and work together with their friends in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and refuse to accept that a minority of the Scottish population have a god given right to demand a breakup of 450 years of friendly and successful union". Or is my wording (where on earth did I get it from?) a tad provocative?

Anyhoo.....I hope Scotland will not want independence, Britain is a small enough place and we should be united.

Why on earth should we be united, roses? There are plainly a great many Scots who would very much like to take back control and cease to be ruled from England. the English don't have any God given right to demand that they stay.

Of course, it might be the same economic disaster for them that Brexit will be for the UK but they have every right to try it if that's what 'the people' want. Haven't they?

We don't need the Duke of Norfolk, we have the Earl of Leicester!

rattling on about nationalism can come across as the same as racism, and if your diatribe was rewritten with the word Muslim instead of English it would be seriously discriminatory

Exactly what I was thinking too GillT57

well said gillybob. Paddyann please stop haranguing and shouting at us on here, it is difficult to read, doesn't flow properly and frankly comes across as an anti English ill informed rant. Now, could we please discuss this in an adult and non discriminatory way, I am Scottish and proud of it, long ancestry, first generation to live in England. I am married to an English man and my children are proudly half English half Scottish. Frothing on about the bloody battle of Bannockburn and such is what gives nationalists a reputation for bigotry and narrow mindedness and I for one think that what Sadiq Khan said was correct; rattling on about nationalism can come across as the same as racism, and if your diatribe was rewritten with the word Muslim instead of English it would be seriously discriminatory. Predictably, Ms Sturgeon misquoted and misrepresented what was said to inflame SNP voters.

Yes, Scots have been leaving Scotland in droves from way back when.Billy Connelly used to joke about it, and say his whole class wanted to be marine biologists and scatter off to the four corners of the globe.Is it a questing spirit or lack of opportunities that drives them?
Anyhoo.....I hope Scotland will not want independence, Britain is a small enough place and we should be united.
I have seen the Speaker in the H O C many times tell MP's to be quiet and to sit down,
paddyann far more than to the SNP MP's.They do have a voice in Westminster and they certainly have a voice in Scotland.

gillybob well said

DH's family left Scotland to go to the NE of England about 150 years ago then further south and west, hence his father being born in Wales, then migrated further south - and some to Canada, America, Australia and New Zealand.
There are probably some second or third cousins still in Scotland, you never know who might be a relative

Yes, Anya, I realised that, what I meant was what if they all go back to this newly independent country?
In their millions?

Oh dear paddyann you have said we don't hate English people but then go on a huge shouty rant about England and how the Scots are really hard done by which is of course all the fault of those dreadful English (the ones you really don't hate}

Reading your posts makes me wonder if (some, not all) Scots have a bit of a chip on their shoulder about their whisky and their oil. There is no their debt of course and they blame the whole of England for everything that is wrong and unfair. Why do you use such silly analogies like giving wages to people in the next street? etc. Try living in the North East of England !

I was glad that Scotland voted to stay. I have Scottish friends and (living in the NE) I visit Scotland regularly, but reading your posts makes me question whether we shouldn't just help you on your way. Having said that I haven't really ever come across many people like you (not meant disrespectfully at all).

I agree100% that we Scots who voted NO are now ignored.I also add that the Brexit vote has not changed my thinking in any way.

I think paddyann was addressing English GNetters grannypiper

paddyann i think you will find that independence does depend on some of us, As A Scot i had my vote for a once in a generation referendum and i voted NO. As we live in a democracy that should be it over for the next 20 years or more, but the snp and the buckie bravehearts can accept that.The only people in Scotland who have no voice are the ones who voted NO, and that was more than 50% of the voters

Jalima emigration by has always been a characteristic of the Scottish race. They are found all over the globe, particularly in Canada and Australia. My own biological grandmother emigrated to Canada in 1919, long before Brexit!

Do you know what? Scottish independence doesn't depend on any of you...and thank god for that .Maybe you shuld try opening your minds to reality...Scotland is NOT subsidised by England ...England IS subsidised by Scotland ,hOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD THE speaker of the HOC tell ANY of your MP's to sit down and be quiet....how many ENGLISH MP's have been told not to dispute what any other MP has said? WE DONT HAVE A VOICE IN WESTMINSTER ,even having voted SNP for most of our MP's .We ares still ruled by tories even though we only voted for ONE tory MP ...is THAT democracy?