Hopkins gets her come-uppance ?

She's on LBC Sunday mornings 10-12am. I wonder if there'll be any comment on this tomorrow?

The devil on my shoulder is saying that Monroe could be accused of seeking publicity in pursuing this through the courts.Not that seeking publicity is intrinisically a bad thing, especially if you write books that you want to sell, but it's the sort of accusation that's thrown at provocateurs like Hopkins as if it were a bad thing.

bags I do agree with you, whatever anybody thinks about what KH writes , we do not need censorship.

good point ab

Rigsby, I must ask, if she writes on such a low intellectual level so cannot impinge on your thought level, why do you read her?

Haven't read the whole thread, but went to post my thoughts on Hopkins, only to find that the thread had digressed to an exceptional degree!

Some weeks back Trevor Phillips did a programme about politicle correctness going too far. His closing statement on the programme was: Maybe we should get used to being offended. I believe he has a point.

Darn! I got drawn in! I shall not be doing that again.

Of course you were not employed by them.

Just for the record, I was self-employed for most of the 40+ years of my professional life. Although I frequently sold articles and entire books, usually written as commissions, to a small group of publishers, I was not employed by them. My self-employment was recognised by HMRC which, therefore, allowed me to claim office expenses, travel expenses, a proportion of household bills, etc. against income tax. It is impossible to do that if you are employed by a company. You seem to have misunderstood what you have read Ankers.

She hasn't got inside my head, nina. Neither has Monroe. It's a principle I'm talking about, whoever is involved in such a case.

Drawing lines as to how things should be spoken about is censorship, pure and simple. Anyone thinks such line drawing is a good and useful thing in society has clearly not thought about who decides where and by whom the lines should be drawn. If the wrong people get into power, I am just as likely to have lines drawn against me than as those whom I regard as the worst bile spouters.

Censorship, restricting freedom of speech, is about power, power to prevent things being said. Just like that power of the Roman Catholic Church that was exerted over Galileo Galilei when he stated that the Earth was not the centre of the universe.

Well you are all talking about her so she has had an impact. I came in at the end of this thread.

She gets inside people's heads. That's what she does. Personally I can't be bothered to get steamed up about her, it's a waste of energy talking about her but that's just my view.

Don't be so stupid Nina???

I rest my case. You and she are matched! Ha ha. How funny.

Don't hurt yourself on the door on your way out.

I've often wondered about the mentality of 'bully groupies' (ie people who think bullies are clever for saying what they think) too.

Well must stop criticising then - not. FFS. Time for a gin cocktail methinks.

Don't be so stupid nina . She's never said anything that's made me think in any meaningful sense of the word. I have pondered on what makes her behave as she does - is it just the publicity and the money? But the content of what she writes is at such a low intellectual level it could never impinge on my thought processes in the slightest. All she does is stir up and encourage hatred - it's hard to think of anyone else who is as unremittingly negative as her.

Just my observation of course.

Rigby46, I've read some of your posts. Your downright nasty. Criticism is a form of bullying if it's not constructive or positive.

Rigby46, she's got you all steamed up so she does make people think. She creates dissent and division and this isn't always bad because out of it comes discussion which can spur people into action. All newspapers distort the truth but rarely are they about the truth. They're about agenda's. So KH is writing to the agenda of the DM.

The very idea that posters on here are bullying her - many of us are criticising her quite justifiably - that's not bullying. What do think bullying means in this context nina? A woman with a DM column and an LBC weekly show? Hardly a level playing field is it?

I'm not suggesting for one moment that things should be swept under the carpet but that I draw lines as to how I believe things need to be expressed. As for a KH article making anyone think <collapses in floor in shock>. She sometimes lies ( as we know re Muslim family), distorts, misleads, selects and encourages hatred . So no, IMO she contributes nothing to the understanding of the complex issues she purports to write about and probably it's the reverse.

daphnedill, she's an entertainer. She's paid to stir the pot. It sells newspapers.

The McCann's are always in the news. They have been recently over the case with the Portuguese detective. Each time they appear, the articles about them are rewritten.
I must admit, I'm not an avid news reader. I only take notice when I'm researching a topic for one of my own articles or book that I'm writing.
KH is not a person I can relate to but as with most people, I've learned to filter her out. If she writes something that resonates or I can agree with, then I give her credit. If not, I steer clear.
It does make me smile though when people call her a bully then they themselves write very attacking comments about her. They themselves then become the bullies do they not?
What's the difference between what she writes and what they write if it's equally nasty?

thatbags I've argued in the past that people need to self-censor (and yes,I know I'm guilty as charged), because the law cannot possibly enforce checks. It's difficult and there will never be red lines, because it depends on a consensus about the kind of society we want. Nevertheless, there need to be laws to protect people and they must be enforced as a last resort.

I despair of the DM's hypocrisy, when it also publishes articles like this about a victim of online bullying:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4297240/Girl-16-hanged-end-online-bullying-torment.html

If what you call spouting bile makes people think more about something and, possibly, even speak about it as well, either in agreement or disagreeent, then isn't it a good thing in the end? Thinking about and discussing issues that might otherwise get brushed under the rug is surely of benefit to society.

I think there is a place in civilised society (I said civilised, not polite; there's a difference) for the so-called bile spouters: people who are willing to say what others might want to say but daren't for fear of recriminations.