Article 50 trigger 29th March

That is exactly how i feel. I really dont think that those people who are struggling and others who voted for greater sovereignty and less immigration will notice a slight difference. Whether that will translate into civil disturbance remains to be seen. But i myst say if id voted Brexit for whatever reason i would be furious

DD very interesting post. Certainly got me thinking,
Anya - you are quite right re the Great Repeal Bill. The name is misleading as the repeal will be carried out in concert with new legislation to replace it. Some are concerned that there could be some watering down of protections, for example in the employment sphere, but I can't see that happening, at least not at this stage. Even if they wanted to it would surely be too complex to tinker with detail in the short time available.

I am very worried for all the people still of working age - that is exactly the area Gove and Fox in particular were promising their business friends they would change the law to give workers less rights to make it easier for businesses and cut labour costs. They intend to fiddle with things such as paternity leave and holiday allowance - particularly for temporary workers.
It looks as if they will not be able to fiddle with food standards and many other manufacturing regulations as the EU has already said that if they do not continue to do things to EU standards all the time there will be no trade deals. Music to my ears!!! It is any food agreement with wider countries - such as China, USA etc we need to be careful about as their production standards are way below those of Europe. This is one of the points I cannot understand - why would people want to go away from the best food standards in the world and agree to lesser ones? If we agree a deal with USA that is what we will get as it has already been said that America will not upset their farmers ( those who dip the meat in bleach etc) to get a deal with UK.
I think the laws which will be in this repeal bill will be a nightmare and with some being done under the radar we can expect to not know about some until they affect us.

I don't know if I'll be able to find it again but I read yesterday that the EU requires conformity with 'social' regulations (i.e workers rights etc) when negotiating trade agreements. So we might not be able to get rid of them, either.

If you don't think this is a mess, 'Anya', I'd be curious to know just how bad things have to get before you would use the adjective?

But i myst say if id voted Brexit for whatever reason i would be furious

At the moment it looks as though we're being furious on their behalf, ww. Leavers on here seem quite relaxed about not getting anything except poorer

I'm afraid I really do think the UK is no longer a world power and the phrase 'silly little country' though an emotive phrase of the moment is one I would stand by.

I was listening to a report of the recent EU celebrations of 60 years of peace and cooperation on Irish radio. The commentator said the sentiments re the UK were of relief that May wasn't there, that the UK was going finally and renewed confidence in the future of the remaining countries. Yesterday the Independent reproduced the 'Article 50' cartoons from the world's major newspapers, the world thinks we are a laughing stock.

The sheer cost of Brexit is going to place a huge burden on every family and person in this country for years to come whilst depriving our young people of opportunities to study and work overseas. The statistics are out there, I'm not going to repeat them here.

As to racism, I daresay 99, even 99.9% of GNetters are not racist but saying 'well I'm not racist, so there' misses the point. Casual racism of the sort I've not seen since the 1960s has returned to this country - people being abused in the street for speaking another language or for displaying any sign of affiliation to Europe. No wonder medical staff are leaving in droves or deciding not to come. Is that what we want? Led by those in power, we are now a country who would rather hide the truth about poverty, inequality of income and opportunity, behind spin and lies - much easier to believe in scrounging Johnny Foreigner, the disabled shirkers, the whingers and remoaners as being 'the problem '.

Hah, my husband has just quoted Simon Sharma's comment on yesterday - 'the day GB became B' Not just me then..

There is a lovely quote from No Country for Old Men' Mazie which might be quite apposite here

"Well it's a mess ain't it sherif?

If it ain't it'll do till the mess gets here"

Azie brilliant post

Maizie now you mention it I think I heard that about the rights too.

If leaving the EU and getting out of the tangle is going to cost so much will there be any saving from not paying into the EU as we are now - or maybe we shall be paying even more! How will the subsidies be replaced?

I saw the quote yesterday that De Gaulle made how Britain would break up the EU if they were allowed to join - I hope he is proved wrong on that point.

Hardly worth posting on here as only Anya and Fitzy seem to have got things in proportion, everyone else seems to be metaphorically screaming and running for the hills before even one thing is decided.
Still, somebody up page wondered how relaxed Leavers are about immigration so: my answer is very relaxed, we will have the amount of immigration that we need for the future, it may stay roughly the same, it may go down slightly or go up slightly but if that is what we need then fine.What will not happen is that X number will continue to be able to legally come here from any EU country, unless we invite them to come.

Mazie and Welshwife - yes I think that's true but we have some rights that are better than EU rights so I wonder if they'll use this as an opportunistic smoke screen to get rid of those?

What will not happen is that X number will continue to be able to legally come here from any EU country, unless we invite them to come.

In which case we won't get a particularly good trade deal from the EU. Not that that seems to matter in the eyes of Leavers.

Hardly worth posting on here

No-one's forcing you to, roses.

That much is obvious Maizie but I made that point as this thread only seems (bar a couple) to consist of fear stories from unhappy Remainers.

Well, what constructive ideas do you have to offer on the topic, roses. Apart from put your fingers in your ears and sing 'la la la'? We know that one so it's really not worth posting yet again.

'Hoping' that everything will be fine is not a good option for people who like to be informed about a topic.

P.S I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear that I'm off out now and won't be back until late afternoon. One less Cassandra to worry about.

azie what a good post. Brexiters are deniers of so much. They like to. Think that our worries are ridiculous and opinions not worth giving any consideration. But they don t have time on their hands and we know it as does the rest of the world. Everything we say on here is classed as alarmists or moaning. How short sighted and undemocratic given that nearly half the country voted to stay.

Not at all Maizie and I have to go out myself soon, but it's impossible I would say to be informed about this topic, because nothing is decided as yet, and won't be for a while.

Of course it's not rose that is just silly.

I totally agree Luckygirl.

Rigby46. If you don't think that some people are getting steamed up, reach through some of the threads on the Guardian or Independent facebook pages. Anyone who mentioned voting leave, however innocuous their comment, gets the most unbelievable and intemperate abuse.
I'm not saying that some Leave voters aren't the same on sites like the Mail or the Sun but frankly that is what you always get on those papers.
People who consider themselves liberal, intellectually superior and open minded say things that I am sure they wouldn't dream of in other contexts.

I must live in a parallel universe as I have never heard anyone abused in the street for speaking a different language or for showing an affiliation to Europe.

Me neither.

Article this morning.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/30/brexit-divorce-terms-marriage?CMP=share_btn_link

Unless it was someone trying to help a person in the street who did not speak much English - you know, in that peculiar British way where if you shout loudly enough and speak slowly a foreigner will understand you!

So people get passionate on both sides about the single most important political event in over 50 years? Well I'm amazed - jolly unreasonable of them.

Jalima and roses because you have never experienced or observed something doesn't actually mean it never happens. There are documented and even videoed examples of this type of abuse