Article 50 trigger 29th March

Ha ha WhiteW yes I think I am but have to admit I am not at my best - got a bit of a bug and I was watching the £100K house!

I re read the Banks article and was horrified again. It says he is starting a 'movement' not a party as then he has no financial constraints like there is got a party. No idea how it will work but sounds worrying.

There's a review on at the moment over whether Murdoch can take over Sky. A lot of MPs etc., have put in a deposition to say that he should not be able to because of Fox News.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/31/ofcom-must-block-murdoch-sky-takeover-miliband-cable

The people of Hong Kong had no choice as the 99 year lease ran out and the colony had to revert to China, like it or not that was the deal! Crimea? The russians had a referendum that overwhelmingly voted for Crimea to be returned to Russia. Not a referendum we would recognise, but they seemed to think it was ok. The majority of East Germans apart from hard line communists seemed delighted when the wall was torn down, ditto Poland ditto Romania, Czechoslovakia, perhaps these countries should have had referendums, but the circumstances and chaos rather dispelled this. Perhaps Gibraltar should hold another referendum to clarify exactly how it's population feels and take it from there.

The result would be "remain in the EU for economic reasons, remain British for tax reasons" and appeal to the gullible British if need be for defence.

Welshwife, there is still supposed to be a limit to the amount of money that can be spent by any party or independent person who stands for election.
We can but hope that the electorate is not easily fooled by this man.

dj the article I was reading this morning suggested that millions was spent on Brexit and not declared - it is totally by passing the democratic process now. Banks was totally scathing about the Electorial Commission.

I heard the President of the Chamber of Commerce in Gibraltar, Christian Fernandez being interviewed and he said 10,000 Spanish nationals per day go to work there. I thought he also said it represents 25% of Andalucia's GDP.

The electoral commission has passed stuff onto the police already about the Tory overspending. And Ukip spending bankrolled by Banks.

Sorry, CPS, not the police.

did anybody bother about the East Germans who didn't want to be taken over by West Germany? Did anybody bother about the residents of Hong Kong who didn't want to be become part of mainland China? What about the Crimeans who dodn't want to be Russian?

well, did Germany bother or not? You may know the answer to that better than the rest of us, I don't know.
Hong Kong was on a 99 year lease.
Crimea? A problem caused by the EU antagonising Russia?

Oh, I see that nigglynellie has answered more fully than I did, sorry, hadn't read that first.

I heard the President of the Chamber of Commerce in Gibraltar, Christian Fernandez being interviewed and he said 10,000 Spanish nationals per day go to work there. I thought he also said it represents 25% of Andalucia's GDP.

The border is extremely busy so it would not be in Spain's interests to either close the border or start the jobsworth-typ[e border checks that they were implementing years ago where you had to wait up to 2 hours to get across.

ps re my earlier post; Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory and Scotland is part of the United Kingdom. I am sure you knew that, though!

Jamila People certainly did worry about the residents of Hong Kong, Chris Patten in particular.

Yes, he did Jaycee5 - it wasn't me who inferred that we didn't, it was daphnedill

And we did too it is dear to the hearts of many British people and some of our relatives were born there.

ukhumanrightsblog.com/2017/04/02/judges-once-again-avoid-right-to-die-issue/

This has to do with the European Court of Human Rights.
When we leave the EU, will it change? Not that it will matter to him, he'll probably have died painfully by then.

Four fifths of our environmental protection comes from EU laws. A bit worrying, particularly if there is not enough time for scrutiny of them.

greenallianceblog.org.uk/2017/03/27/five-very-real-risks-to-our-environment-from-brexit-and-how-to-tackle-them/

"Theresa May has said the UK will no longer be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice, and it’s unclear if we’d be subject to any European Commission oversight in future. So who will play this role in post-Brexit Britain?

As the Bathing Water Directive example shows, without an independent body to hold government to account, there is a real risk that our environmental laws and protections will simply not be upheld. As we transpose European laws across into domestic law in the repeal bill, the government will need to empower current, or create new, institutions to play this role. "

If I was Gibaltarian I think I'd opt to stay in the EU. What, apart from sentiment, would be the disadvantages?

Exactly, Jess. No disadvantages at all. Perhaps some advantages when it's all sorted out.

Mind, they will have to start paying taxes properly, but they should have to do that anyway.

There's no money dj we can't even keep our roads in good order

Same here, whitwave. I think Gibraltar is a ghastly place. It's like a throwback to 1960s Blackpool.
Mind you in my opinion Spain is welcome to it. Hot dusty and noisy. Plus ridiculously tiny and overcrowded.
^ It's a 1950s theme park with red letter boxes and fish and chip shops, which doesn't pay taxes to the UK. It's a tax haven and offshore gambling HQ, which undermines the EU. Spain is welcome to it.^

5,000 inhabitants per square kilometre, whitewave. Not enough room to wave a flag, whether UK or Spanish.

How nasty and dismissive of Remainers to speak of other people who voted to remain in such terms.

It's not often I say I am ashamed to be British but those remarks fill me with shame and I wish to disassociate myself from them, both as a British person and as one who voted Remain.

Jalima I agree that some of the remarks are totally uncalled for, whether in simply being TM ride about the place or making comments like "Spain is welcome to it", as though the UK's interest were something along the lines of colonial ambition rather than purely a recognition of the fact that we have a responsibility to the residents. If any country can be accused of a colonial land grab its Spain. They want to acquire a piece of land they don't need, forcing an unwilling population to submit to their laws, and all just because of a pathetic concern over national pride. I struggle to see why those on the left seem so supportive of the Spanish case. I'm not in favour of forcing the population to submit to Spanish or indeed joint sovereignty, but I just wonder if they might choose that option if it lets them keep an attachment to the UK, remain in the EU, and avoid the possibility of the UK govt. selling them out completely.

Blimey surely to goodness I'm entitled to say whether I like a particular place or not!! That really is taking control to the limit!!!

I can also describe other places I have been to in the world which fill me with horror or dislike, equally places that I adored, but I am entitled to my opinion.