Article 50 trigger 29th March

I am and have been fully familiar with Gibraltars tax arrangements as I am most of Europe for years rose no scrabbling around for me, but I am not clear why familiarising oneself about the issues concerning Gibraltar is something to to find amusing. Perhaps you would prefer that the electorate remains in ignorance, so that the lies being told are taken in hook line and sinker?

That is the joy of the web, all the information is to hand. Livers are held to account.

Liars!

It doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks about Gibraltar and whether they dislike it because it's hot, dry, dusty, overcrowded, like Blackpool etc etc - what matters about Gibraltar is the people.

Perhaps they are unique in that they are patriotically British but also want to be part of the EU - however, thinking about it that may not be unique, there could be many of us like that.
Years ago they voted overwhelmingly to stay British and have now voted to remain in the EU so some careful negotiations need to take place. The last thing any of us want, apart from some sabre rattlers both Spanish and British, is a conflict over it.
However, the Gibraltese should not become a sacrificial lamb in the negotiations just to appease Spain as I am sure EU leaders will not want that either.

Accepting the consequences of their vote Mamie ? The only consequence they had to accept is that the vote to Leave the EU won the day.Of course they voted to stay in, it made life easier for them and was understandable.That did not mean accepting as a consequence Spain threatening to march in and take control.
If the people of Gibraltar ever choose the Spanish to rule them it will be a cold day in Hell.
Power sharing.....a possibility, but if they themselves do not want it, then the British Government would never go down that route.

I've been to Gibraltar too. Who are accusing of not going roses?

Already cheered up.

Please excuse the remoaning. I know it’s frowned upon. It wasn’t for this that all those elderly Leave supporters dragged themselves out to vote! This isn’t what they fought a war for! Though not many of them actually did that. Those guys are mainly dead. The Few are now the Fewer, soon to be the None. So I should say: this isn’t what they, in many cases, lived through a bit of the war for (but often as infants so they can’t really remember it)!

I am on another site and I so often hear them complaining about "the service they have given for the country" and it makes me want to spit (metaphorically). If you are in your 90s I will applaud you having to live through the affects of the 'Great War' and then the economic crash which left thousands in poverty and then you may well have 'done your bit' in WWII but those who have screamed at me that they 'want their country back' and appear to think they know what is good for all of us - just because they are over 70 - arrived at the end of the war and have then:

Benefited from the introduction of the NHS
Benefited from the benefits system
Benefited from full employment (better for these self same men than for women when they started work)
Benefited from better education
Benefited from the opportunity to buy their home
Benefited from rising house prices
Benefited from the type of pensions that will eventually seem like a small blip in history.

Oh well said David Mitchell - so many of this generation tell us how hard they worked but don't even know any of the younger generation so have no idea what life is like now. They just judge, judge, judge. Well now I am judging the part of this generation who show up those of us who accept we lived through mainly good times, and certainly improving times, and so, it appears are others.

Glad that cheered you up ( can't think why it would) but how many old people on here are moaning about hard lives? Not one, as far as I can see.

I am puzzled as to why older generations do not know any of the younger generations, or have I misunderstood that?
We are their parents and grandparents

I only know one person who was in the Forces in WW2 and he is 98, I have no idea what he voted.

[cough] Plenty of GNers have stated how hard their lives were.

You are - they are not. Which may be why they don't join GN Jalima, although I think it is rather more because they are smaller in number and they mainly agree with any outrageous idea someone puts forward. There is a world outside GN and some of it is much nastier.

I can give you the forum address if it would help and then you can go and agree with their moaning (about everything). I found it before I found GN so have stuck with it for some time as there are a few really nice people on there.

So, can we then infer from that post that all the benefits that the older generation enjoyed post-war and the latter part of the 20th century have now become a hopeless dream for young people today as a result of being drawn further and further into the EU eg dating from perhaps the time of the Lisbon Treaty?
A timeline could perhaps show some correlation.
Interesting.

I would have thought that I am on another site and I so often hear them complaining about "the service they have given for the country" and it makes me want to spit (metaphorically). might have given it away.

I don't think I could cope with nastier GGMK11!

And my 98 year old is the loveliest person you could wish to meet and I have never heard him moan about anything even though life dealt him some blows.

So, can we then infer from that post that all the benefits that the older generation enjoyed post-war and the latter part of the 20th century have now become a hopeless dream for young people today as a result of being drawn further and further into the EU eg dating from perhaps the time of the Lisbon Treaty?

Correlation is not causation even if you were correct that thing had got worse over all the time we had been in the EU.

I cannot believe how little knowledge some people choose to acquire. Our economy improved with our being in the EU - or are you about to complain about how hard your life has been? It is our own governments that has done the damage while blaming the EU and anyone else so they don't have to take responsibility.

What have I said that is nasty? The only personal remark is yours Jalima

Why would I complain? I am thankful that we have lived through relative peace.

I didn't state a fact, I am pondering.

I will bow to your extremely superior knowledge and leave you to it.

You didn't say anything nasty GG but you said you could introduce me to a forum that is

And my 98 year old is the loveliest person you could wish to meet and I have never heard him moan about anything even though life dealt him some blows.

You really don't read the posts do you Jalima - you just look at the posters name and attack. I am sure your 98 is lovely. I have to remind my mother she lived through a war and was in the WAAF, when she tells me how hard it is for the younger generation - the 90 year olds are generally very sympathetic. That is why I said

If you are in your 90s I will applaud you having to live through the affects of the 'Great War' and then the economic crash which left thousands in poverty and then you may well have 'done your bit' in WWII but those who have screamed at me that they 'want their country back' and appear to think they know what is good for all of us - just because they are over 70 - arrived at the end of the war and have then:

I am not ignoring you - I have to go to my mother's. 96 year olds need lots of care and love.

Apologies GG - perhaps your remark or are you about to complain about how hard your life has been is rather nasty as you have no idea what my life has been like and is like.

Again I apologise for thinking you were not being nasty I think I misunderstood.

Leave you to it.

Er no roses - not the people of Gibralter accepting the consequences of their vote. The people who voted for Brexit accepting the consequences of their vote.
Problems, for Gibralter, problems for Northern Ireland, problems for EU citizens in the UK etc etc.
I hope that is clear?

Well it is now you have clarified it.
There should of course, be no problems for Gibraltar, who knew that the Spanish were going to ride into town guns blazing, and why should they, it doesn't belong to them.
There should be no actual problems for NI either, T May has already said there will be no hard borders ever again.
That only leaves problems ( maybe) for EU citizens living here, and again TMay did try and get the EU to agree to reciprocal rights for our EU people and all Brits in EU countries, but also as you know, they refused to discuss it until article 50 was triggered.
None of the above are unsortable problems, it's not rocket science.

No it's me that needs to apologise Jalima. About halfway to mum's I thought I must have misread one of your posts and taken offence at something you didn't say. No excuses - I shouldn't have been trying to do about six things and get out of the door! I am very sorry if I misinterpreted what my brain thought was there.

Well roses it remains to be seen how easily the problems can be sorted. I suspect it may all just be a little more complex than you think.