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Grandee or Political Has-Been?

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Rigby46 Thu 30-Mar-17 10:47:18

Some cultivate being a grandee rather than have grandeeship thrust upon them, I think Heseltine rather likes being one and Clarke in an 'off hand I don't care' sort of way'. I think there are less than there were and do wonder if they are a dying breed? Some just don't cut the mustard do they? I think DM is too young at the moment. I suppose my first thought is Heseltine - he had an interesting political life in the Commons, took on MT and seems to have some real beliefs - anyway I like his good head of hair - do you remember his Spitting Image puppet with the helicopter in it? I'm fond of KC also - I suppose what I think both have is some sort of integrity

rosesarered Thu 30-Mar-17 10:40:30

Kenneth Clarke, definite political has -been,
Tony Blair, ditto
Paddy Ashdown ditto
Also Major
No doubt 'Mandy' is still plotting so maybe not a has been yet.grin

whitewave Thu 30-Mar-17 10:35:40

Only Tories can be "grandees"

nigglynellie Thu 30-Mar-17 10:18:04

Alima!! ? Peter Mandelson, Lord Kinnock (he has kept quiet though so perhaps unfair to name him) There must be others!!

janeainsworth Thu 30-Mar-17 10:13:53

I think grandees are still in situ rather than retired.
And it's a term usually linked with the Conservative party than Labour or Libdems. It implies a certain amount of reverence.
One person's has-been is another person's hero. I would rather like it if David Miliband were to resurface and rescue the centre ground of British politics, but now that Brexit has been triggered it might turn out to be a futile gesture sad

Alima Thu 30-Mar-17 10:13:01

Sorry, digressed. I nominate Kenneth Clarke.

Alima Thu 30-Mar-17 10:11:19

Ah yes, Paddy Pants Down. At least the leave voters may have got out of their own beds.

Teetime Thu 30-Mar-17 10:06:57

Nigel Farage?

dbDB77 Thu 30-Mar-17 10:02:42

"Grandee" is a term often used to described politicians who have semi-retired to the Lords or are CEOs or similar. Their opinions are venerated. But when is a Grandee really just a Political Has-Been? A lot of these Grandees have been involved in the referendums (Scotland & Brexit) and subsequent debates - e.g. Heseltine, Major, Blair.
Yesterday I heard Paddy Ashdown give reasons why people voted Brexit including "because they got out of bed on the wrong side" - how dismissive is that of the electorate? They disagreed with you Paddy - no need to be so patronising.
Therefore he's my nomination for Political Has-Been - any other nominations? grin