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Grandee or Political Has-Been?

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dbDB77 Thu 30-Mar-17 10:02:42

"Grandee" is a term often used to described politicians who have semi-retired to the Lords or are CEOs or similar. Their opinions are venerated. But when is a Grandee really just a Political Has-Been? A lot of these Grandees have been involved in the referendums (Scotland & Brexit) and subsequent debates - e.g. Heseltine, Major, Blair.
Yesterday I heard Paddy Ashdown give reasons why people voted Brexit including "because they got out of bed on the wrong side" - how dismissive is that of the electorate? They disagreed with you Paddy - no need to be so patronising.
Therefore he's my nomination for Political Has-Been - any other nominations? grin

JessM Tue 11-Apr-17 21:37:37

pin-up? smile

trisher Sun 09-Apr-17 11:40:14

Not really Grandee or Political Has-Been is it? We need a new term for Ed post Labour leader. Any ideas?

janeainsworth Sun 09-Apr-17 07:47:50

Mmmmm grin

trisher Sat 08-Apr-17 19:20:55

If you haven't seen it
twitter.com/TheLastLeg/status/850460357042855936

trisher Sat 08-Apr-17 19:17:38

So did Ed's fan club watch the Last Leg and see his new bacon sandwich photo?

Jalima1108 Fri 07-Apr-17 19:47:38

Iam64 I realised that my hair looked just like Theresa May's so I had it chopped short yesterday
Perhaps I should have left it as it was if you approve grin
And it has gone very peculiar now, should have left it in the short 'Theresa bob'.

Jalima1108 Fri 07-Apr-17 19:44:39

hmm Diane Abbott? You have to have been someone to become a has-been.

I quite liked her and Michael Portillo as a double act on that Andrew Neil programme though!

Anniebach Fri 07-Apr-17 18:48:52

I like hearing Theresa May, don't agree with her politics but I do find her interesting to listen to and I like her wardrobe , her hair ? Mine is very long because it's so easy to pile up but I admit seeing .mays hair style I am tempted

Iam64 Fri 07-Apr-17 18:46:34

Oh dear, sorry I'd forgotten this is in Politics. Ah well...

jollyg Fri 07-Apr-17 16:51:52

Sod it. it is.
Can it be under NEWS please

jollyg Fri 07-Apr-17 16:50:55

Diane Abbot, ex Corbyn bidey in. She loves the sound of her own breathy voice , does nothing for the labour cause.

PS I hope this is not in POLITICS as I want to escape with my integrity intact.

janeainsworth Fri 07-Apr-17 16:19:04

I never really noticed her before she became PM iam, but I think her style is just right. Smart and business-like, and not flashy.

Iam64 Fri 07-Apr-17 07:55:16

To continue this frivolous theme. Am I alone in enjoying Theresa May's new approach to clothes and hair cuts. I'm not making any comment about her politics by the way, that's a different subject.

Jalima1108 Thu 06-Apr-17 23:53:52

Well, Miliband Minor has nicer hair than Miliband Major
grin

Ken and his Hush Puppies smile

Anniebach Thu 06-Apr-17 18:48:42

I am very fond of Ken Clarke

Iam64 Thu 06-Apr-17 18:31:10

I can see the attraction of Miliband Major but will stay with my views on Miliband Minor thanks Jalima.

Michael Howard - stunningly daft I thought, with his "our ships are bigger than your ships" nonsense. He always had something of the night about him and hasn't improved with age. Whereas Ken Clarke, for example - always a joy despite being a Tory. He's intelligent, interesting and probably the best leader the Tories never had.

Jalima1108 Thu 06-Apr-17 14:18:04

What about Michael Howard?
Grandee or has been who should shut up Iam64?

Ed? I will take your word for it that he is gorgeous in RL! and a gent
I prefer Miliband Major.

Iam64 Thu 06-Apr-17 14:02:24

JessM yes, I saw and heard Ed speak. He is very attractive, spoke well and the question and answer session was good. He was challenged by many and responded effectively and with charm. Sadly, none of This translated to tv. I heard a well known journalist expressing disbelief that at last ve events, Ed was charismatic and effective but somehow that didn't come over on television. He's also too young to be a branded and it's too close to the dismal result of the last general election.

Ana Wed 05-Apr-17 21:27:31

Ed who? Can't think of any Ed who's 'gorgeous'...confused

JessM Wed 05-Apr-17 21:23:51

Took the words out of my finger tips Iam64. Coming up the outside lane, with a valiant effort to reach the line - it's Howard! Gaining ground rapidly! Waving his lance and tilting at Spanish windmills.
I suppose Livingstone would be in the grandee stakes too but he seems unable to meet the (rather low) standard for entries.
Ed is too young, to gorgeous and too much of a gent to even fill in the application form. (Sigh! Have you ever seen him in real life? Very tall).

Iam64 Mon 03-Apr-17 18:19:50

What about Michal Howard??

annodomini Mon 03-Apr-17 18:09:51

How can Ken Clarke be a Grandee when he is still in the Commons? I have a lot of time for him even if he is a Tory - a brave man who can defy the Whip.

Anniebach Mon 03-Apr-17 17:24:16

Joannewton, surely you don't expect anyone who left politics not to earn money, I object to those who have one or more jobs whilst still an MP

dbDB77 Mon 03-Apr-17 16:13:41

I mean Baroness Trumpington for a Grandee - her rude gesture to a patronising Lord was priceless grin

dbDB77 Mon 03-Apr-17 16:09:38

I think Grandees (or Big Beasts) are still worth listening to - even if you disagree with their opinions - they are more open, honest & thoughtful because they are no longer in the Commons & therefore not subject to the same degree of party discipline as MPs. So I consider Norman Tebbit & David Blunkett to be Grandees.
Has-Beens act as if they are important and their opinions are valid and we are desperately waiting to hear them - but in reality they add nothing to a debate - so I add Ken Livingston & Michael Howard to my Has-Been nominations.
Grandees & Big Beasts also have a sense of humour - I like the Baroness Trumpington nomination grin