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Syria - what is to be done?

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whitewave Wed 05-Apr-17 08:22:37

Listening to an American this morning talking about air strikes. I haven't a clue but Assad must be stopped.

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 20:36:09

I actually like Trump. He doesn't pretend to be who is. He's blatantly Donald Trump and somehow I feel safe with is unpalatable truth far more than a politician who acts to an audience.

rosesarered Sat 08-Apr-17 19:30:20

That was a very strange rambling (fly on the wall of the Oval Office) post WW

rosesarered Sat 08-Apr-17 19:26:55

Far from it trisher but I try and stay grounded.

rosesarered Sat 08-Apr-17 19:25:55

The problem is that lots of people who dislike/hate Donald Trump cannot bring themselves to say that he and his administration have actually done something right.
This is just as bad as those who claim that a politician they like can do no wrong.
All this stuff about WW3 is completely OTT.

trisher Sat 08-Apr-17 19:25:26

You've led a sheltered life then rar

rosesarered Sat 08-Apr-17 19:21:52

trisher I don't think I have ever heard such a far fetched conspiracy theory!

trisher Sat 08-Apr-17 19:14:27

Not him personally Fitzy54 but perhaps his Russian friends or their Syrian allies provided him with a very nice opportunity?

Fitzy54 Sat 08-Apr-17 19:11:13

Trisher I'm not sure what you are suggesting. That Trump just saw an opportunity to take the heat off himself? That he orchestrated the whole thing, dropping the sarin gas himself? Or something else?

Ana Sat 08-Apr-17 18:57:18

I must admit I thought ww for one must indeed be privy to Trump's thinking and motivation from the content of some of her posts Fitzy. Unless it's an opinion from somewhere else...

trisher Sat 08-Apr-17 18:53:41

I'm afraid I wonder about the timing of this whole episode. Trump is being investigated about his links to Russia who are fighting a war in Syria. Chemical weapons are used in that war and film of this is widely circulated in the media. Trump then sends missiles to an airbase where the chemical weapons are said to be stored. Suddenly Trump is a hero and a man of action. It stinks to high heaven.

Fitzy54 Sat 08-Apr-17 18:50:08

Not sure what all this stuff about WW3 is getting at. Putin has no more intention of starting WW3 than Jeremy Corbyn. But it seems he is happy to condone the indiscriminate use of sarin gas on children, at least if nobody makes any move to stop it.
As to posters signifying how they might well support the US action if only there was some sensible long term strategy, I'm very grateful to them for letting me know that the Pentagon has made them party to its long term strategic thinking (or absence of it). Or maybe the Secretary of State has posted an admission on Gransnet and I missed that one?
In my naivety I thought the US was simply making the point that while it has said it won't interfere in Syria, there are still red lines in the sand, including Obama's own red line that there must be no use of chemical weapons. As to whether that makes any sense in the context an acceptance by the US of the fact that Assad has used other weapons to even more destructive effect, well, yes it does make sense. Hence the support from the likes of the shadow defence minister, the deputy leader of the Labour Party, and the leader of the Liberal Democrats, none of whom to my knowledge have been advocating the bombing of Syria up to now. But Perhaps they should all listen more to Nigel Farage.

ninny Sat 08-Apr-17 17:52:20

Good post Nina1959. A stand had to be made.

petra Sat 08-Apr-17 17:48:32

It wouldn't surprise me at all if this was the perfect excuse for putin to pull out of Syria.
And yes your right nina1959 many people have known for a long time that Sweden isn't all sweetness and light. It was only a matter of time.

Fitzy54 Sat 08-Apr-17 17:39:24

Been out for a long time. So WW when you posted about listening to the far right supporting Trump, you absolutely were not including me or any of the other posters who said anything in support of Trumps action?

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 17:32:58

I'm being melodramatic????

But anyway exactly. If WW3 breaks out, what happens to the gas?

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 17:27:19

He's not going to do that, though, is he? I think you are being a bit melodramatic here.

You do actually make a point for disarmament, though.

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 17:21:12

OK, if he bombs us all off the planet, who's going to buy his gas?

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 17:19:56

www.gazpromexport.ru/en/presscenter/news/1918/

New record of exports to Europe.

Obviously Putin can afford to have wars in so many places.
How much of Gazprom does he personally own?

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 17:09:27

I still don't see how Putin can afford to have wars in so many places. But then I'm an optimist. And it's not like we haven't been here before.

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 17:06:59

From where I am sitting typing this, I can see a house belonging to someone who goes to Russia and checks their pipelines for safety.

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 17:05:12

Really? In 2015 Russia almost doubled the amount of gas it exported to the UK. It also produced 35% of EU gas.
Someone forgot to tell British Gas that they were not supposed to import gas from Russia.

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 16:53:14

www.forbes.com/sites/timdaiss/2016/08/19/prolonged-sanctions-rip-into-russia-causing-angst-for-putin/#5548924739e5

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 16:30:14

So Russia can afford to have multiple wars with Syria, Ukraine, the Eastern Bloc and the West.

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 16:23:50

theconversation.com/trump-strikes-in-syria-illegal-ineffective-and-dangerous-75936

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 16:22:23

theconversation.com/us-strike-on-syria-swiftly-ends-talk-of-warmer-relations-with-russia-75872