How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

Keeping to my word. No comment.

No squabbles, just different opinions , I haven't time or patience for squabbles

My point is that everyone has their own take on things. Not necessarily right or wrong - just different. Not intended to start a squabble.

Not going to be drawn into childish squabbles.

Don't you Daphne !

Daphne, maybe it is you who doesn't 'get' it?

More reason to vote tactically

NHS

There is a sharp reduction in real terms being planned for 2018/9. This flies in the face of the Tory mantra of the extra £10bn.
Tory party MP Dr Sarah Wollaston has said that the impression that the NHS is awash with funds are incorrect.
The Red Cross has declared that there is a humanitarian crises in the NHS.

Waiting Lists are increasing exponentially.

Some examples

Maidenhead 9% await more than 4 hrs and there is a £236m funding gap
Greater Manchester 15% more tha 4hrs. £1.1bn gap
West Yorkshire 12% more than 4 hrs £1.1bn gap
North Central London 11% more than 4hrs £1.2bn gap
NW London 20% more than 4 hrs £1.4bn gap
NELondon 12% more than 4hrs £816m gap
SE London 18% more than 4 hrs £934m gap
Birmingham 13% more than 4 hrs £712m gap
Cheshire and Merseyside 17% more than 4 hrs £908m gap
Cumbria 21% wait more than 4 hrs £572 gap.

So much for the mantra "more funding then ever before" nonsense

Who's raising money to improve Corbyn's chances? I don't understand what you mean.

We'll have to agree to differ kittlester, because I can see no evidence at all of "getting it".

how sad, raising money to try to improve Corbyns chances, that shows lack of faith in his ability to win in his own shoes.

varian, I have heard whispers that the only Lib in the Welsh assembly is thinking of standing for the Libs in the general election, if she does the Tory MP who won here two years ago must be very nervous, I hope she does stand, she is very popular, I like her , know her well - she live in this town, she is a genuine Lib, oh how hard a decision voting will be for me if she does stand. Labour has no chance and I doubt I will canvas this election , eeeeek . If I did vote for her it would be because she would be a good MP and I do want the Libs to gain seats , Wales is in danger from the Tories, they even won Gower two years ago.

kitty

Thank you.

If anyone is keen to support the crowdfunding for tactical voting you can donate on the site. It is aiming for 300k and is almost there. Raised in 24 hrs.

I think you do 'get' it POGS and I agree with you completely. You argue your point well.

It's ironic, because the aim of Miller's court case was to bring decision making and accountability closer to the will of the people through their MPs, rather than leaving it in the hands of a very small group.

Sadly, many people will believe it.

Goebbels would have been proud of the "will of the people" mantra.

Her web site has gone viral.

Gina Miller is clearly pressing the hard right buttons. The Faily Mail is furious, calling her the "arch remoaner" and claiming that she is trying to "stop the will of the people"

Wonder who is going to believe that bit of propaganda?

Tactical voting is really a variation of Alternative Voting, where nobody wins an outright majority, so a second round of voting counts as people's second choices. This is what's about to start in France and the form of voting the Conservative Party in the UK uses. It produces a compromise winner rather than an extremist, whom many people hate. That's not connivance. It's ironic that "fair play" produces adversarial politics, as we have in the UK. Other countries have grown up and have a more sophisticated system and learnt how to compromise.

No pogs you still don't get it.

ANY party of the broad left is better than a Tory party. Gina Miller knows it, along with hundreds of thousands others. That is why she is hoping to crowd fund a push to persuade people to vote tactically to prevent this government to continue on its destructive path.

Of course I get it, I said in my post the left wing parties, which you agree I note are weak, should become one left wing party . What I don't get is if winning by connivance is the only option then that to me is not how I have ever viewed fair play and it sits uncomfortably with me but obviously not to others.

I play by a straight bat and if the Party I vote for does not get the majority share of the vote so be it. BUT if the Party I vote for loses due to 'tactical voting' I just hope the winner is duly ashamed to have won by default NOT because they were the best candidate. That's where I differ big time from yourself and obviously other posters.

It won't happen anyway because their ' policies ' , ( that is what the voter is interested in not playing games ), are at times worlds apart.

The Social Democratic Party , the gang of 4 , tried to do it but failed.

You don't get it pogs

We are rational humans and understand that the most important thing is to try and get this distructive and chaotic government out. We can't do it by conventional means because each of the broad left wing parties are too weak. We need a coalition of the left. If this tactic works, () then that is what we will get. But at the very least we can hope to ensure that the Tories do not get the bigger majority they want.

Whitewave

You and others will provide reasons why you do not want the Conservatives in power. Fair enough .

However you can provide as many reasons as you like why not to vote for the Tories but you are avoiding the issue of 'tactical voting' to suit your view.

So you make a list of where you believe the Tories have cocked up. BUT if you promote 'tactical voting' your answer is not to promote / put your parties policies to the electorate to say 'Don't for them , vote for us and this our counter arguement ' is it? Why?

If you believe in your party of choice, believe your party is the best to govern the country, believe ALL other parties are found wanting then why on earth would you not go hell for leather to get your chosen party candidate into the winning spot.

Those who promote 'tactical voting' and will therefore happily vote 'AGAINST' their party of choice, shamedly vote against the party ' they have told others to vote for ' , the party they 'say' they believe in are to my mind all mouth and no trousers if they do not support their Local Candidate WIN OR LOSE.

That is exactly what is needed pogs but in the absence of a United opposition tactical voting is one of the answers.

Whitewave

Then it is time for the 70% of the voters to form one party and stop using 'tactics'. Perhaps it could be called 'We hate the Tory Party' as it is a rhetoric commonly used and shared by the left wing parties. It is clear, concise and says what is about on the label.

If parties are too weak to get votes it seems that they cannot accept the reason for that is plain and simple, their ideas do not resonate with the voter.

To have to turn to using subterfuge / tactics they only make their weakness clear but again they are so convinced 'they are right and everybody else is wrong' they cannot see it.

How would you know if your candidate might have won if you chuck the poor bugger under a bus to keep the opposition out because you KNOW your party is weak.?

I will give the SNP their due they 'turned round' the voting pattern in Scotland by standing for what they believe in, standing by their candidates and it proves that it can be done.