How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

Nothing stays the same!

It appears that we are facing a once in a lifetime swing to the right, and as you rightly say dd all we can do is try to mitigate the disaster where and how we can.

Brexit with no vote, and a possible cliff edge will be over and done with by the next election.
We will see our living standards dropping and the NHS privatised. No recognition will be given to the political centre - May will end up looking like a dictator.

The one ray of light is that as the Buddhists understand, nothing stays the Saale, everything changes. I shall cling on to that.

dj Tactical voting is up to the individual and doesn't require any negotiation. It's what loads of people have been doing for years anyway.

A progressive alliance is something different. That's when a party without any realistic chance of winning agrees not to field a candidate and extra canvssers, etc are sent to a seat. There have been a couple so far. I think Vauxhall is one of them. I think the Labour Party in Jeremy Hunt's constituency is deciding whether to drop out. JH has a 24,000 majority, so it's going to be difficult, but impossible if the opposition is split. I can't remember where the other one is, but I think it involves the Greens, who will probably be relieved to save their deposit.

It's easy for me too. I'll vote for my preferred candidate, because it won't make any difference.

TBH, it's like using a bucket to bail out the Titanic. Labour are forecast to lose 100+ seats. All tactical voting and/or a progressive alliance will do is possibly reduce a Conservative landslide by a few seats. The Conservatives are going to have a blank cheque to do whatever they like, so it's a question of damage limitation. There aren't many seats where individual votes even matter.

It wouldn't be a surprise if there's a new left of centre party ready for 2022.

And mine. Next door is Green

Tactical voting in order to keep out the Tories is a brave thing to do, and requires a lot of negotiation.
It's the sensible thing to do for anyone who believes in PR, and does not want a permanent Tory government.
Easy for me to say, as my tactical vote is for Labour.

A new website that might be worth looking at.

www.progressivepulse.org/

Started by people who read taxresearch.

theconversation.com/a-progressive-alliance-is-a-once-in-a-generation-chance-that-must-be-taken-in-election-2017-76604

I notice that Caroline Lucas was on that list of MPs to be saved. I would have thought she didn't need that.

Yes there's that as well as voting tactically in marginals. So where there is a small majority in a Tory seat then it would be a good idea for the broad left to ensure those supporting the broad left and want to keep out the Tories to identify who to vote for. The Greens are keen and writing to various other party members.

That's what I thought you meant, whitewave.
Here's a list of MPs that Open Britain want to save or not.

labourlist.org/2017/04/labour-dominates-the-list-of-mps-which-open-britain-aims-to-save-on-june-8/

I notice that Kate Hoey has left the group.

Cooperate!

It appears that this idea of tactical voting is gaining momentum. The BBC is reporting the move by the broad left to corporate in trying to stop the Tories.

Indeed Rosesared and I don't have a problem with that. Smug lazy MPs of any party should be challenged, and should be representing the majority of their constituents.

For those who think that Labour don't cost their promises.

twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/856151105323106304/photo/1

Yes Gill but no doubt there will be a smug safe lazy MP somewhere else who is a staunch Remainer in a mainly Brexit constituency and maybe he will get the boot too!

Let's hope everyone else thinks like you gii and he gets the boot- what a glorious result!!

Agreed Lazigirl I most certainly will not abstain, I will vote tactically, and as a last resort, comfort myself with the thought that I did my best with an unfair system. It is just so exasperating living with a smug, safe, lazy MP who does not represent the majority of his constituents ( he is staunch Brexit, majority by far are remainers). So much for local representation.

Here's a constituency to vote tactically.

www.theweek.co.uk/general-election-2017/83869/womens-equality-partys-sophie-walker-vs-conservative-mp-philip-davies

It'll get rid of an MP who holds women and parliament in contempt.

I agree varian that FPTP is undemocratic and there are many who feel as I do that their vote just doesn't count in their constituency, and some smug MPs in safe seats don't even have to try. I could not bring myself to abstain, or waste my vote so tactical voting is my only (faint) hope.

It costs to put up candidates. That's why there are no Green party candidates in many constituencies, because they do not have the sort of financial backing that other parties have.

I suppose you could say the Green party is encouraging tactical voting by only putting up candidates where they think they could come second.

A lot of people who feel like you, Grannyof11 have looked at all the parties and decide to join the Liberal Democrats - over 12,000 new members bringing the total to over 100,000!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39694417

Agreed - I feel very dissatisfied indeed because of first past the post - I am basically disenfranchised by it.

varian post making good sense

There was a discussion today on Women's Hour between various party spokeswomen. The Labour politician said something along the lines of "We're not likely to win in Kensington and Chelsea". Jane Garvey said jokingly "So you're writing off the chances of the Labour candidate there?" Everybody laughed because they all know, we all know and even the Labour candidate there must know that it's true.

The parties all recognise that there are such things as safe seats, one of the many weaknesses of FPTP. They put up "paper candidates" and do the bare minimum of campaigning because it makes more sense for them to concentrate their resources in other places.

Often these hopeless constituencies are training grounds for young candidates to have a first shot, knowing they won't win but will go on to better prospects, such as when Tim Farron and Theresa May both contested North West Durham at the 1992 general election, where of course, the sitting Labour Party MP Hilary Armstrong won.

FPTP really is a weird and very undemocratic system which I think has contributed to voters general feeling of dis-satisfaction.

pogs sorry - I meant I hope no one will knock on doors supporting a candidate then vote for another!!