How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

Well jalima that is how I understand your posts, is I'm sorry that I have offended you.

My point is this - taking the personnel out of it

To stick to tribal voting when in your opinion the country is being ruined by the government is wrong in principle and show no regard for the countries wellbeing.

Besides a negative vote can turn into a positive

Oh for flip's sake - I don't belong to a tribe and if you had read my post above whitewave then you would know that!!

There are many 'tribal' people on GN but I am not one of them.

Not like you to descend to the level of some other posters whitewave.

Country's!

I think that if there was a party that jalima felt was the worse thing ever for this country, and had the opportunity to either prevent a landslide or get it kicked out by voting tactically, she would imo be failing in her democratic duty not to vote tactically if that is what it took. To doggedly stick to your tribe regardless of what is happening to our country is utterly imo unprincipled and shows little regard for the countries wellbeing.

So are you actually saying you believe yourself to be more principled and honest than others on here Jalima?

There are words for people who hold themselves so holy Jelima.
what words?

Are we back to virtue waving again?

It's a very odd idea indeed, dishonest and lacking in principle.

You are saying that you, doing what you think is best, is more principled and honest that others doing what they think is best. There are words for people who hold themselves so holy Jelima.

Rightly or wrongly I dislike the concept of Tactical Voting. Instead you should vote for which ever candidate or party you believe in. That is what all the party leaders say.

I understand why you feel like that Cindersdad but that is your view; mine is that I will do anything not to come under the jackboot of the Conservatives again.

As for the party leaders - had they changed the system to PR - instead of offering us the complex and confusing AV that no one was actually asking for - we would not have to use these tactics.

My point is that under FPTP many voters, perhaps even most voters, might like to vote for a party who cannot win in their constituency and so might vote for another party to try to beat the party they dislike the most.

This means voting for negative reasons. If we had proportional representation everyone could vote for positive reasons.

The French presidential election system recognises both positive and negative voting.

we do not have a Presidential system.

The system of voting for the President of France actually seems quite sensible. You vote for the candidate you want on the first round and as the second round is a run off between the top two, a lot of voters vote against the candidate you don't want.

I would definately give consideration to a brand new party if I thought it matched my ideaology.
Well, of course and so would I and so have many people in the past.

That is why there are changes in government because people change their allegiance, think the party they voted for have gone too far and lurched more to the right or left, or have read the manifestos before voting, seen a fresh approach and approved of what they read.
I don't believe it is because, in the main, people vote tactically.

The French system of voting is different to ours and obviously that is what people will do. They now have a chance to look and choose again out of the two remaining candidates.

Annie - canvassers are not going to do that, however sensible it might be. If the Labour party was truly serious in their desire to oust the Tories and save this country from more divisions and misery for the underprivileged, it would do just that in the relevant constituencies.

But they will not - so the voters have to do it for themselves by voting tactically.

The whole of France is busy thinking about voting tactically now. Those who say it is unprincipled etc. Do not live in the real world. As I said I think the tribal loyalty is now fast becoming a thing of the past.

I would definately give consideration to a brand new party if I thought it matched my ideaology.

I agree Cinderdad

anniebach

It's a very odd idea indeed, dishonest and lacking in principle.

So vote against the party you do not want to win not the party you want to win,

what are canvassers suppose to do, knock doors and say - I am a mrmber of the Labour Party, I am supporting the Lib candidate because I don't want the Con candidate to win , vote Lib

Rightly or wrongly I dislike the concept of Tactical Voting. Instead you should vote for which ever candidate or party you believe in. That is what all the party leaders say. I hope that the Lib Dems. will do better because they have a truly open mind on most things. The spreadsheet is simply anti Tory and unlikely to be heeded by many voters who will have decided the way they want to vote anyway.

Everywhere I've ever lived I should vote Labour to keep out the Tories, apart from Winchester and Berwick upon Tweed, which are both Libdem.
No surprise at all, then.
I can't imagine any constituency where it tells you to vote UKIP to keep out the Tories.

Sorry - society described in the article.

GGMk2 that's the best summimg-up of my concerns that I've read so far.
It doesn't refer to the Scottish question but it's easy to see that where SNP and independence may provide an alternative to the society describe then it's easier to understand what's happening here and that there's more to it then the perceived rampant nationalism.
It should also be clear in this context that the prevailing feeling is NOT anti-English but anti-Westminster.
It's reaching the stage where many of us are prepared to 'take the risk'rather than face the inevitable awfulness of what this goverment is prepared to inflict on all of us.

Caught up with each other now. That's good.
I bet saak is really confused now, though.

There is a comma missing - sorry!

" Her aim is, as a Conservative Richard Murphy explains"

Is there a comma missing there? It implies Richard Murphy is a Conservative.

I am not sure why your question arises Jen? Have I missed something re RM voting Conservative. This article is very much about why we shouldn't because of TM's actual (normally Conservative) intentions.

Ah - do you mean where I say "Why would you wish ... etc.," that was directed at Saak who, we are supposed to know, is "hugely working class". Sorry if I have confused.

Is that a different Richard Murphy to the one on taxresearch, because he claims to have never voted conservative.
He's green through and through.

That's a good link for getting rid of Tories, Gracesgran.
Mind, I did have problems finding my Durham seat, as it has another two words in it apart from Durham.