How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

"Independent" as in "don't care about others", "selfish", "find it difficult to relate to others' point of view and make compromises"?

Err ok. I just wouldn't want to join a club full stop. Don't like the "club" mentality.

Wasn't it Groucho Marx who said "I wouldn't want to join a club that would have me as a member"?

I may have, thank your for pointing that out, however I'm sure you knew exactly what I meant. I personally wouldn't want to be part of any "club" and shudder at the thought. Im more of an independent person and like a one-to-one conversation.

Clubs are social for the people in them. A clique so to speak.
In "clubs" people dis-include others.

Contradictory statements
and do you mean exclude?

So you want to bec"disincuded"?

No they don't. Where do you get that from? In "clubs" people dis-include others.

In clubs people work together for the benefit of all -like the EU.

Clubs are social for the people in them. A clique so to speak.

At least clubs are social!

Interesting, because Martin Schulz might win the German election, if Merkel doesn't. Schulz and Macron are very close politically. Two most important countries in EU will be centre left.

I know dd

ww He hasn't won yet but hopefully will.

The French left-wing candidate, Hamon, has definitely lost the first round in the French election. It looks likely that Macron (centre left) and Le Pen (far right) will go through to the second round. Hamon has thrown his support behind Macron.

Hamon has just said "We have to defeat the far right, an enemy of the Republic, by voting Macron even if he is not a man of the left".

That's why people support second best, rather than squabbling, which lets in the "enemy".

There are parallels between the left and right of the Labour Party.

Fluid? Why would you vote the second best knowing they aren't going to cut it. This is not the time to deviate. Go through with what was started. Go through with what people wanted. Then vote differently next time. That makes perfect sense.

Listening to the French elections I am coming to the conclusion that the old tribal loyalties are definately becoming a thing of the past. Given that a brand new party from nowhere has won in France there must be a huge element of non tribal voting.

I personally don't like clubs. To be in a club is hugely constraining. Now, going it alone but coming together as one on certain issues is wonderful. No one feels they "have" to tow the line of the head of such a "club"

My constituency used to be a key marginal and it has become one again in this election. I'm no longer a LP member but will vote for our sitting L MP because he is a good MP. Friends who have been out canvassing on his behalf report that Jeremy is unpopular on the doorsteps of the areas that have always been Labour voting. Not anymore is the message they're getting.
Daphned, I'm in one of those northern Labour heartlands you mentioned. Brexit ruled here, though I voted Reman as did all my pals (only to be expected of course)
Interesting times, if nothing else.

The EU has worked very well for the UK and for the other member countries. It is not perfect, but you can only make changes to the rules of a club whilst you are still a member.

Nobody is "thwarting democracy". That expression comes straight off the presses of the Daily Mail.

We are a parliamentary democracy and we should be able to rely on MPs actually doing what they believe to be best for the country, not caving in to the right wing press portraying the result of an advisory referendum as democracy. Let's hope the ones who are elected on the 8th of June are better than those that have let us down.

I have never voted tactically, out of loyalty to my Party. However, the time may have come for me to change the habit of a lifetime.

Sometimes in life if something doesn't work and hasn't done for years a change is needed, this is it. People that keep thwarting the voice of democracy have a very naysay mindset which is yes, pretty stupid.

Brexit at any cost would be beyond stupid.

Suicide note indeed. How bloody ridiculous. The EU works does it? No it doesn't.

Not stupid saak. We know how much we've got to lose and it's very difficult to see what, if anything we have to gain.

The 63% of the electorate (75% of the whole population) who did not vote for Brexit have to be shown what Brexit means before we can have any positive views of it. So far nobody knows.

Thank goodness we have had a definitive opinion from the legal expert who draughted Article 50 that it CAN be revoked.

Just because some people have written a suicide note it does not mean that all of us, or even any of us, need to jump off a cliff. Brexit at any cost is stupid.

But to have such a negative attitude towards what getting out of the UK will bring is just a plain stupid thing to do.