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Your MP's performance, policy and manifesto, or party leader?

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trisher Mon 08-May-17 18:27:07

There has been a lot of chat about the leaders of the parties and who would be the better PM, but I wonder if this is what you think about when you vote. How good is your MP? Would you vote against them if they are inadequate? Or are you looking at TM and JC and voting for their party?
I have an excellent MP who works so hard and is active in the community.so I will be voting for her. Fortunately she is a member of the party I prefer.
Are you influenced at all by what is in the manifesto?

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 23:25:29

This is interesting, about transparency and corruption.
I wonder which party will take the recommendations on.

www.transparency.org.uk/publications/ge-2017-manifesto/

mollie Fri 12-May-17 16:59:52

Crikey, never considered that option! Lol!

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 15:51:16

You are not considering voting for Ukip, are you, mollie?

Even I have to feel sorry for Paul Nuttall here.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/05/ukip-meltdown-candidate-tells-nuttall-he-quits-live-on-air/

Whilst laughing, of course.

mollie Fri 12-May-17 15:42:46

For once I'm truly stumped about who to vote for. I feel this is likely to be a second referendum by another name and brexit will be the deciding factor for most people but there are other issues. I like both TM and JC for different reasons, like some party approaches from Labour and the Conservatives and am trying hard to take into account my newly adopted rural county's needs over my life-long city-girl leanings. The sitting MP is unlikely to be unseated so perhaps what I want doesn't matter even if I'd like to think otherwise.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 15:23:42

What are you getting angry for, Annie?
You told me I was a joke.

Corbyn is the leader of the Labour Party. Get over it.

Anniebach Fri 12-May-17 15:03:08

No I will not get over it durhamjen, Wales is country not a county in England , there was no need for your insult, who the hell do think you are?

trisher Fri 12-May-17 14:52:21

It's God's own county as well!

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 12:47:07

Yorkshire's bigger than Wales, Annie. Get over it.

Anniebach Fri 12-May-17 12:05:44

One example of a little englander attitude ? We are bigger than you

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 11:56:04

nhap.org/event/unseathunt-campaign-saturday-13-may/

nhap.org/event/come-and-campaign-with-neal-stote-this-saturday/

nhap.org/event/unseathunt-campaign-sunday-14-may/

nhap.org/event/neal-stote-hustings/

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 11:44:09

Why is it being a little Englander to say that this election is for Westminster government, not the Welsh Assembly?
I don't complain about Wales and Scotland having their own governments, running their own NHS and education systems, and calling you little welsh or little scots, even though Wales and Scotland have a much smaller population than Northumbria.

Looking at the composition of the government, Westminster should move to Surrey, when it closes for repairs.

yggdrasil Fri 12-May-17 11:35:41

I heard this morning that UKIP weren't standing in my constituency to support the Tories, and the Green candidate also has refused to stand to support the LibDems. Pity that Labour wouldn't do the same. They have no chance here, it is a straight run between the tories & libdems. We also have a Christians Peoples Alliance, which I have never heard of before and don't expect to again. I want to see a Labour government, these Progressive Alliances are the only way to go with FPTP

paddyann Fri 12-May-17 11:21:47

Grannypiper is it against the law to be an Irish republican? Or to support their cause ? Republicans aren't all IRA gunrunners you know ,they are people who believe that their country should be united as it once was .A perfectu reasonable attitude

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 11:10:47

I think constituents can do that anyway, trisher.
Louise Irvine got more votes than libdems last election. Ukip were second.

Three Labour members have been expelled from that constituency for aligning with the NHA. I don't think it will make other Labour members change their minds about the progressive alliance; they just will not admit to it!
Your vote is between you and the ballot box.

I've noticed that Jack Monroe has had to withdraw her NHA candidacy for Southend West as she has received death threats.

trisher Fri 12-May-17 10:43:23

Oh B---s I thought it was a good idea! The Lib Dems should think again! An NHA candidate against Hunt would be such good battle!

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 10:26:22

Unfortunately, trisher, the Libdems, who were going to get behind the NHA candidate, have changed their minds and are fielding a candidate in Hunts constituency.
A shame really. The Libdems got behind two other independents who won in previous elections, Bell and Taylor.

nhaswsurrey.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/disappointment-as-lib-dem-backs-down-from-alliance/

trisher Fri 12-May-17 09:56:54

Caught a glimpse of someone on TV yesterday advocating tactical voting to get rid of Jeremy Hunt! Now there's a cause I would be up for if I lived in his constituency!

Anniebach Fri 12-May-17 09:49:26

Jen, we will fight this election as we choose, do stop being a little englander, we are Welsh Labour, we sre supporting Carwyn , this is how we are fighting this election. Nothing we can do about the leader of the Labour Party, but we have the right to run as Welsh labour.

You are now so above yourself you have become a joke.

grannyactivist Fri 12-May-17 01:03:21

I live in a constituency where even the Tory's joke that as long as he was wearing a blue rosette even a goat would be elected. However my local MP was rarely seen in the constituency until he got a shock at the last election when an Independent Candidate actually gave him a bit of a run for his money. Once his school chum Cameron resigned our MP was relegated to the back benches and now he's on his mettle as the same Independent Candidate is standing against him again. She did so well last time that I think people are actually beginning to believe she could do the unthinkable and unseat him this time round. She will certainly get my vote again.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 00:11:54

No you are not. Carwyn Jones is leader of the Welsh Assembly - nothing to do with Westminster.
You are just trying to kid yourselves.
Forty Welsh MPs in the commons, 25 of them Labour, and all have Corbyn as their leader, not Carwyn Jones.

Anniebach Thu 11-May-17 22:36:56

We haven't that problem in Wales, Corbyn isn't spoken of , we are supporting Carwyn who is the leader of Welsh Labour and working for Welsh Labour and Welsh Labour MP's .

M0nica Thu 11-May-17 21:51:02

which is why we should not be having an election until 2020. The British Parliamentary system is NOT presidential. We vote for the MP and party of our choice and the leader of that party leads the government,nregardess of whether they were the leader at the time of the election.

This election is reinforcing the cult of the leader.

durhamjen Wed 10-May-17 22:45:39

I hvae just been reading that people are asking if we have two votes, one for May/Corbyn and the other for our local MP!

M0nica Tue 09-May-17 16:51:40

Since I have never been in a constituency with an outstanding MP, that is a choice I have never been faced with.

Usually I go on the political philosophy of the party I support and then look at how this philosophy is expressed in the manifesto. I usually vote Lib Dem but in 1979 and 1997 I so disliked the party in power (Cons in one case, Lab in the other) that I seriously considered voting the opposite to make every effort to get them out, but in each case I had such severe doubts about the relevant leaders (Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair) that I ended up voting Lib Dem as usual. And my gut reaction about those two leaders was right.

yggdrasil Tue 09-May-17 09:53:00

My current MP seems a nice enough man, and he does answer emails. However, he is a Tory who took over from a well liked Lib Dem at the last election, and she is standing again.
Where I live, there is no point in voting for my principles, no-one else has a cat's chance in hell, so I will vote for her.
I would really like the STV system of voting, with multi party constituencies. That would be better for the people in the constituency, and a bit less pressure on the MPs. Then I could actually vote for what I believe in.