Are the UK electorate out of touch with reality?

So, Annie, are you, a Christian, 'aware' of this sort of thing happening, and comfortable with it, as roses confidently asserts Christians are?

So that priest was ordained knowing he was lying through his teeth , how did he lie through the theological college . I trust you told the congregation? To think he baptised babies, married couples, buried the dead and comforted the bereaved

You wouldn't know, as he or she is not likely to tell one of their own congregation.
It happens though, and I should think most Christians are aware of it.

If I were still a practising christian, roses I would be devastated to find that my parish priest was preaching what he didn't believe.

Well said radicalnan ! Agree completely.

Some clergy lose their faith, some don't believe in the miracles in the bible and the virgin birth but think that Jesus set the example we should all be following, it's not 'horrible' at all Maizie and I doubt that any Christians would be shocked by this
'Revelation'.

What happened to the Revolution, radicalnan?

I remember years a go a very successful clergyman told me he wasn't required to belive in any of it, just to provide the services and pastoral comfort that his flock wanted.

That is just horrible. I'm sure that most of the christians on here would be

I think it bizarre that we expect politicians to 'believe' in things befre they can deliver them. TM was I think a Remain person but when the vote was in, she took on the PM role and is busy trying to deliver what the public voted for. It would be healthier I am sure, if we chose people who could act upon the brief we give them rather than trying to get people who are belivers themselves.

I remember years a go a very successful clergyman told me he wasn't required to belive in any of it, just to provide the services and pastoral comfort that his flock wanted.

We expect other professionas to get on and do the job they are tasked with, barristers don't have to believe in their client, nurses dont have to accept that patients did all they could to keep well, they sign up for the work and they get on with it.

If we chose people for their qualities as planners, orators, administrators, negotiators etc and then told them what we wanted we might do better. We are verging upon residential or cult followers at the moment which I find disconcerting.

People seem to think that JC stands for Jesus Christ, including the man himself, we are not Americans!!!!!

rosesarered, he will not stand down, his goal is to turn the Labour Party into his dream of a trots party, he has wanted this for many a year. Why are good MP's who are centre left on his hit list

UKIP are only putting up candidates in half the seats, encouraging their supporters to vote Tory -after all the Tories are promising everything they ever wanted, from hard brexit to fox hunting and grammaf schools.

Under our crazy FPTP system the Tory/ UKIP vote could still be well below 50% and yet they could end up with a landslide. Tactical voting for the best placed non-Tory candidate seems to be the best defence.

It could be excellent news that Labour lose, it will show that Corbyn cannot continue as Leader.

Well grammargran you may be in for a disappointment, but she hasn't had it her own way for too long you know, not even a year as yet!

The most scary thing about the whole situation we find ourselves in is, as maisie said way back in the debate, the complete lack of a strong opposition. Because we haven't got this, we have instead a government that wants to be seen as 'strong and stable' but is, in actual fact, more like an extremely harsh and bullying parent who is so confident in their own 'rightness' that everyone in the family must bend to their will - because it's all for our own good. In fact, turn that whole analogy into Theresa May - to me, she's become absolutely overbearing and I no longer believe a word she says. Where oh where is the politician that can stand up and give her the good verbal pounding she deserves? She's had it all her own way for too long, and all I can see and hear in the next five years is her snarling at a brow beaten and cringing opposition. I despair! Please God she doesn't get the landslide she so arrogantly expects ......

I despair at people saying I am a long standing supporter of such and such a party. Obviously I will support them whatever they propose to do. Oh for the day when people will look at policies and decide which is feasible and will not bankrupt the county.

I thought, by now, people who say their family have voted this way for generations would have learnt to make their own opinions.

Interesting piece here on Modern Monetary Theory: transitioncitylancaster.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/we-pay-for-it-by-spending-the-money.pdf

If it works, I'd be up for it!

I don't trust any of the politicians, have spent many years voting Tory (although Green the last 5 years or so) but am going to vote LibDem this year to show them I still want to #BremainSane.

Like a lot of Labour's policies, but they always get in where I live - by a massive majority - so I reckon I'm safe to vote the way my heart dictates

Corbyn is not decent or honest

Here here! about Diane Abbot

Totally agree with you Yorkshiregirl. Why are there so many selfish people in this country, I expect its still to do with Thatcher and Blair . Jeremy Cornyn is decent and honest and in touch with how life should be

anyone with half a brain can see the tories are destroying the country ,why would they vote tory?

I think this election is about giving TM a mandate to govern as she was not elected by the electorate. She must feel the time is right for her to call an election, and if the Tories win then she and her government have a mandate for the Brexit negotiations from the people who will then not be able to complain about the terms and contains she and her government agree to.
It also gives her another couple of years to get a better deal.

I do not know about the electorate, but this woman surely is:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4512938/Robert-Hardman-humiliation-Diane-Abbott.html

definition of 'Tad' is: a small or insignificant amount or degree :-)

I agree with you James. I think everyone has a view and everyone else should listen whether they agree with it or not. Nothing wrong with being polite or caring imo. It is not a generation thing, my boys were brought up to be polite and caring as were their wives. If people cared a tad more then the world would be a better place I think.

Maybe you did not read my post about us all being brain washed for years? Not to worry.

Watching Diane Abbott on Daily Politics in a clip of her at the Police Federation conference. She treated the police like they were little children at infants school. 'Good Morning everyone. pause. Good Morning everyone.' because they didn't reply with 'Good Morning Miss Abbott'! My God I would have stood up and walked out if I had been one of them. Whatever is Mr Corbyn keeping her on for? She is absolutely useless in everything she does and to put her in charge of the police is an insult to them. Most unsuitable woman who should never have been made The Shadow Home Secretary imo.

It's interesting to hear the Tories claim that there are items in Labour's manifesto which Jeremy Corbin doesn't believe in.
Let me think....is there a leader of another political party, who now espouses a very important policy, which, less than 12 months ago, she definitely opposed?

Sheilasue here crime is down by over 40% over the past few years social housing building up by more than the promised amount when SNP came t power 10 years ago ,they took away bridge tolls,froze council tax for 10 years our NHS is outperforming the NHS in the rest of the UK ,we have free dental checks ,free eye checks ,free prescription and much more there have been roads started AND completed that Labour said it would do 40 years ago and didn't all in all a reasonably good record BUT the newspapers NEVER report any of it or if they do its with the SNP BAD tag and they spin it as though its a terrible thing .Go figure that one and then you'll realise why many still voted for the unionist parties ..simply because the truth is not published .Thankfully we are (most of us) more politally aware and can see the bias ,but there are many thousands who believe all they see on TV or read in the red tops .In Shetland they even voted a Lib Dem back who admitted in court to making up a story about the first minister and then pretending it was "leaked" his excuse was ALL politicians lie .

Morgana, must be a gender issue for certainly not intended to be condescending. I asked my wife to read my comments before sending, we have nine grand kids. She said they were honest but I needed to get use to bitchy and catty comments if I used the gransnet to express males views.

As a family we often have deep frank discussions without any accusations of being condescending. Perhaps Granddads views are not very welcoming in some quarters.

Will sign off on this issue, best wishes, James