Is it too late for a U turn on Brexit or at least watering it down?

Article 50 does not have to be final - it can be stopped anytime until the point of actual departure. In fact the Euro-sceptic Tories when the idea was first muted said there should be a referendum when the final terms are known.

The referendum is not legally binding. The Bully Boy Brexiteers would like you thinks so and are incapable of thinking they could just be wrong.

Why have you changed your mind James? Surely you gave the matter due consideration before voting and you chose to vote out. I know young and old who voted for or against leaving , they were a mixed bunch and had mixed opinions.
You seem to have something in common with Teresa, she keeps changing her mind too!

Yes cinders A50 is not irreversible - surely the Brexiters aren't lying to use again?

I agree about A50 being stoppable Cindersdad -- the other thing people seem to have failed to take on board is that the 27 remaining countries are the ones which will decide on any 'deal' the UK is offered. When you think about it that is obvious as each country will have one vote but actually it was written into the rules about any country leaving the EU.
The U.K has been given enormous leeway all the time it has been a member of the EU - allowed to have different rules to the other members. People have many different ideas of what the EU does and doesn't do and if it is elected - which the Parliament is - and the members of the Council are nominated by their country and they are a representative of that country.
Can anyone tell us one really positive outcome of this Brexit which they are confident will happen.
Many lies have been circulated about the EU, the members and the rules over the years - and also many lies and jokes made by people who should have known better - and unfortunately many people believed them.
I just wonder how bad things will need to go before people might just consider the UK got it wrong.
Michael O'Leary has already stated that as things are looking now he will need to stop taking bookings from the UK towards the end of next year for 2019 and move his fleet and relocate the crews.

Ouch! Brexiters are liars? Or their views are just different from yours Welshwife? Can't we accept a difference of point of view without labelling things as lies? It's not helpful.

No one has responded to my point that even if the UK changes its collective mind the EU might be hostile to our wish to stay in. In two years time, when any second vote might take place, so much would have happened it might be too difficult to call a halt. Any thoughts?

Sorry, whitewave said Brexiters are lying...

The EU have continually stated that Brexit can be halted at any time and they would welcome the Uk back while the process is going on.

I'm sure they'd be happy for us to stay but what pound of flesh might they attempt to extract...our standing would have changed and the pre-brexit ripples, that people are already claiming to be suffering from, will have been in effect for a while...can the EU promise to put that all behind them and treat us as equals and fairly?

I think they are bigger than that Mollie and most things would gradually settle down again. None of them have mentioned acting like Sherlock!

You have more faith in the Eurocrats than me, Welshwife. We may never know...we might find out in time...time will tell.

(Er, Sherlock? Shylock perhaps?)

Yes - I typed Shylock - was thinking about Portia - but I dare say the iPad knew better - drives me mad!
Yes I do have faith in some of the Europeans - I read a lot of their speeches etc and watch the EU parliament and also foreign news - have always been interested in foreigners and how they live etc.

Yes, it's a three pipe problem all right Watson. don't ya just love the iPad.

To answer James no, too late for a change of heart or watering down Brexit.

The referendum was only advisory as referendums are in the UK,BUT David Cameron announced that whatever the result it would be acted upon. This was agreed by the H of C, so they could hardly backtrack that announcement because the result was the 'wrong' one!!. Probably a ploy by D.C. to prevent N.Farage from badgering for a re-run if the result had been a close run thing the other way round!!!

Lies?

These lies which have been constantly fed to the British public over at least the last 20 years

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

This site has tracked them since 1992

I am surrounded by people, young and old, who mostly think that the Leave vote winning was a ghastly mistake so I can't ask the question of people I know, but I do wonder at what stage in the disintegration of the UK and the UK economy people will start suspecting that voting to leave might have been a bit of a mistake. Or what amount of pain they are willing to put up with to enjoy their freedom from the monstrous EU.

James. Nothing wrong with your OP at all. Enjoy your holiday.

How can it be too late for a watering down? Nothing has been decided yet.

www.cer.org.uk/publications/archive/bulletin-article/2017/why-no-deal-would-be-much-worse-bad-deal

You all know my views on the referendum result, it was a disaster. But we need to consider what can be done now and how it should be done. Immediately we must encourage everyone to vote in the general election for which ever party they prefer.

The higher the turn out the better the reflection of the views of the people. I can't see an ideal outcome and just hope that TM doesn't get a big majority. Remember that the majority of MP's (current and probably future) voted REMAIN and we voted them in. Also that parliament elected by FPTP is not a true reflection of popular views. The overall vote count across all parties and all constituencies shows a closer snapshot of public opinion; even that is not accurate due to a combination of apathy and tactical voting.

However after the election we can individually write to our own MP's giving our views on PR and Brexit. Join groups like "Make Votes Matter" and "Open Britain". If enough of us complain calmly, reasoned and articulately the powers that be may take notice; the rabble rousers (UKIP etc.) must be shown for what they are.

You see Cindersdad that's where your argument falls down, the vast majority of the over 17 million people who voted for Brexit are not UKIP voters or anything like it! We who voted Leave expect the government to crack on with things as soon as the GE is over, not water things down, have a second referendum or generally drag their feet.

Do you know more than anyone else about Brexit, roses?
How can it be watered down or not if we don't know what it is?
Mayhem wants to keep negotiations secret. How do you know what she is negotiating about?

Nearly 4 million UKIP voters, by the way. A sizeable minority, I would say. Third highest number of votes cast, after Tory and Labour.

I said 'the vast majority' dj so even if all voted for Brexit that leaves 13 million voters of other parties.

Or, MaizieD, at what stage will Remainers think Brexit wasn't so disastrous and end-of-the-world as they feared? It could be alright, not utopia but not inferno either. It could be a way into a world that is a bit different, that provides us with new opportunities. It's already made those in government aware that us ordinary folks have opinions and they won't forget that in a hurry. It's a bit like the fear that ran with the millennium - doom and gloom foretold but actually...and why? Because people did their best before the clock struck midnight to protect themselves. That's what we need to do now... Europe won't close its door on us entirely, we are still a useful market place, a source of tourist income for example. And it will be nice for the UK to govern itself again. We ought to look to NZ who suffered when we joined the EU, it lost a huge market because we ditched them as condition of joining the common market. NZ has a thriving and growing economy now...just a thought...

Good post mollie