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Is it too late for a U turn on Brexit or at least watering it down?

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James2451 Fri 26-May-17 14:12:39

We oldies need to admit we got it wrong about leaving the eu, we are putting our young family members future at risk. Unity is now priority

The deep concerns by commerce, industry & farmers on our economy and hard times ahead should not be lightly dismissed.
The horrors of this week have highlighted the need for much closer unity with our neighbours in Europe. We cannot gamble on a hard Brexit to resolve differences, we need to stop and rethink how we can resolve our differences without the extremism of Brexit. Is it too late or can we save ourselves from a possible disaster? To do otherwise could be taking a gamble we just cannot afford to take on our young families future.

I am not prepared to leave it to Teresa May and trust her hard Brexit colleagues. Therefore I shall not vote for her type of Brexit.

durhamjen Sun 18-Jun-17 15:55:06

It doesn't matter. Put it on both.

It doesn't look like there is a single legal person in the negotiations on our side.

Welshwife Sun 18-Jun-17 15:51:05

Maybe I put tha translated article from the Swiss paper on the wrong thread - might have been better on this one!

durhamjen Sun 18-Jun-17 15:16:18

www.gov.uk/government/publications/biographies-of-the-civil-service-representatives-for-the-negotiations-with-the-eu

This is who is going with David Davis, just in case anyone wants to know.

Strangely the government page was just published today. It makes you wonder when they decided.

whitewave Sun 18-Jun-17 14:50:45

This insistence of pushing forward with a hard Brexit, is wilfully ignoring the public mood imo

whitewave Sun 18-Jun-17 10:34:06

Well they've got it now!!

Roll on the election!!

durhamjen Sun 18-Jun-17 09:26:54

'The facts revealed in the annexes to this report confirm what a lot of people have suspected but have not always been able to prove. There is-a widening gulf between the top and the bottom that has been going on during the fiercest period of austerity which has seen real wages for million falling. If John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, and Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, had access to this information during the election it could have been dynamite.'

One paragraph in the report.

durhamjen Sun 18-Jun-17 09:25:00

www.byline.com/column/22/article/1734

Not sure if these moneymen back hard brexit. They don't need to, as they get more money out of the situation as it is.

whitewave Sun 18-Jun-17 08:28:09

It seems to me that you have only to look at who is backing/funding the hard Brexit case, and it becomes all too clear that they do not have the UKs survival at the heart if their beliefs.

Fund managers, money men and rumoured crooks have funded Brexit/hard Brexit.

Business, and academics and most MPs fund/support soft/no Brexit, together with other folk.

It is a major battle going on.

I support those who support the UK.

Welshwife Sun 18-Jun-17 08:24:13

I expect they all think they know better ! After all we don't need experts. It is all so very very worrying for everyone - whether or not they agree with the worries lots of us have they will experience the outcome the same as us.
Has anyone seen any BENEFIT from leaving?

whitewave Sun 18-Jun-17 08:13:42

Big business is begging May to rethink. They are so alarmed at what Brexit will do to the economy.

Is anyone listening?????

What sort if bubble are they living in?

Welshwife Sun 18-Jun-17 08:07:43

Once this all goes through it is the poorest people who will suffer the most as prices rise more etc. All of it just to appease those who have always seen EU as a threat for some strange reason. Even if this train wreck is stopped it will cost UK more as they are saying there will be no rebate! They say you never appreciate what you have till it is gone!

whitewave Sun 18-Jun-17 07:32:35

69% want a soft Brexit. That number will rise and rise as people begin to understand the implication of a hard Brexit.

whitewave Sun 18-Jun-17 07:31:40

Only the Tories ever cancel the QS. It is called incompetence. Would have had time if they for their act together and not buggered about like they have done over the past weeks only to make matters a whole lot worse.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 18-Jun-17 07:08:48

No Queen's Speech next year so that Brexit to ease the way in parliament for new Brexit laws.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 18-Jun-17 07:06:28

Rachel Johnson does say some strange things. I wonder whether she is really an asset to the LDs.

durhamjen Sat 17-Jun-17 18:37:23

This is the line-up for the Brexit talks.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/brexit-negotiations-guide-talks-begin-monday/

durhamjen Sat 17-Jun-17 15:06:46

Rachel Johnson has said that May is a victim of Grenfell Tower as well.
Hmmm....

Welshwife Sat 17-Jun-17 15:02:55

No one seems to be able to tell us any definite advantages of leaving the EU. I see Gove has now said food will be more expensive - it all seems to be such a mess and TM is not looking well - she looks so tired which is understandable - she has had a really bad couple of weeks

durhamjen Sat 17-Jun-17 14:26:16

Good idea, whitewave. The fact that Mayhem created more mayhem with the election should be a warning to Brexiteers that we don't want May's form of Brexit, if we still want one at all. So let's take up Macron's offer.

whitewave Sat 17-Jun-17 14:20:34

Is it me, but I do get the impression that we are no longer hearing from Brexiters who extol,the virtues of leaving the EU. Are they falling out of love with the whole thing?

whitewave Sat 17-Jun-17 13:50:25

Hasn't Macron offered a sort of 6 month let out / get ourselves back up to speed clause and decide what we really want?

Why on earth don't we take advantage of that generous offer. I'm sure it could be spun to the public.

durhamjen Sat 17-Jun-17 12:28:38

The more the better, Luckygirl.
I am annoyd that at the 1922 committee meeting it was said that 38degrees should be ignored. I've signed that one, too.

Is the government website open to petitions yet, do you know?

Luckygirl Sat 17-Jun-17 12:08:35

There is also one on 38 degrees and I have signed both.

I seem to have written this a few times now!! grin

durhamjen Sat 17-Jun-17 12:02:47

There's a petition on change.org to ask David Davis to involve other parties in Brexit negotiations.
Please sign and put it on facebook, etc.

www.change.org/p/brexit-secretary-involve-other-parties-in-brexit-talks

whitewave Fri 16-Jun-17 21:41:42

I thought it was pretty astounding though. Portillo has always been an ardent Brexit supporter.

One wonders whether they are at long last waking up to the impossibility of it all.