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Luckylegs9 Sun 28-May-17 07:42:31

I am seriously getting worried, that that joke Corbyn might end up running he country, which will within months, put a new social policy in place to be paid for by the ones that work, and on their knees knees already, borrowing money, left right and centre, so that llike every labour government in history leave us in massive debts that will increase until, once again the country votes conservative to sort it all out. I probably won't be here it see that happen. I notuce the frugal life style Blair had, an example to all labour voters. He and his very rich family did very well out of it, pity the country didn't, particularly those youngsters sent to Iraq.

durhamjen Wed 31-May-17 08:48:15

Boris said the land value tax 'would bring misery to every single family in Britain'.

He obviously doesn't know anyone who rents.
Barely half of families own their own homes now; research by the Resolution Foundation, chairman David Willetts, probably a friend of Boris's, but obviously one of those experts that Boris takes no notice of.

durhamjen Wed 31-May-17 08:41:37

Personally, I am more worried about this from the same evolve site.

evolvepolitics.com/exposed-theresa-may-supports-outrageous-plan-to-flog-nhs-land-and-buildings-to-private-companies-on-the-cheap/

Are you worried about this, POGS?

durhamjen Wed 31-May-17 08:37:19

It would be a replacement for council tax, and would be paid by the owner. Those who rent would not pay.
Tony Blair and his family will not like it.

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 08:29:05

You can't anything pogs because there isn't much to find.

Land value tax is to be reviewed. That does not of course that the right wing press won't try to make out something that it isn't. But there is nothing to report at the moment - rather like Mays potential tax rises.

durhamjen Wed 31-May-17 08:28:36

evolvepolitics.com/right-wing-press-lying-labours-land-value-tax-heres-truth/

POGS Wed 31-May-17 08:23:28

How will the Labour Land Tax / Garden tax work?.

It is difficult to find out much about it as I have only heard one question asked of a Labour MP who couldn't say anything and the left wing press appear not to be reporting it, unless I am missing reports which is perfectly possible.

durhamjen Wed 31-May-17 08:12:47

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/13/benefit-or-tax-evasion-row-over-the-tories-targets

Your link did not seem to work.
This is via The Week website.

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 07:30:27

"Benefits fraud costs the government £1.3bn a year, according to official statistics, while the gap between tax owed and tax paid is put at £34bn a year by officials."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/13/benefit-or-tax-evasion-row

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 07:24:15

Oh! That was to luckylegs its a bit earlysmile

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 07:16:45

smile you need data to back up your figures otherwise you cant be taken seriously.

I mean i could come on here and say things like. "The bankers are making sure all the poorest pay for the total cock up of the economic crash" or "the benefit fraud figures are inflated to look more than they really are"
No one would believe me unless i could point to reports and data proving my point

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 07:16:15

Luckylegs I spent nearly two years slobbing around (as you so charmingly express it) after working full-time for over 35 years. I had paid tax and NICs and worked bloody hard, so had earned my benfits. I wasn't well, but apparently wasn't ill enough to claim ESA, so I spent most of my slobbing around time looking for work - sending off CVs, making phone calls, searching online, going to employment agencies etc - until I decided the only solution was to work for myself.

I would love you to experience just a little of what I went through, because you quite obviously don't have a clue.

I find your attitude totally offensive.

Luckylegs9 Wed 31-May-17 07:05:09

Whitewave I wish I had the perfect answer. To those sick people that fake it,hopefully medical assessments would help,tgose that won't work as opposed to can't, they find it a lot easier to slob around. Housing benefi fraud, some claiming for every borough in London as highlighted in a tv documentary.recently, it's massive. Sharing of information, between authorities, this should be easy on computer, best solution is to have an ID card, I don't mind having one, nothing to hide, only the shifty need worry, this would stop multiple claims. It would be stamped each time benefit claim was processed and approved. For tax evasion, clever accountancy is now being looked at, the super rich have got away with so much. People genuinely in need are being short changed by these fraudsters, at all levels, they need the stiffest penalties.

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 07:02:14

May isnt managing anything!!

She is stumbling through everything. Just like Cameron everything she touches turns to dust.

Give me one example over this past year that you can say " that was well done and a good policy"?

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 07:01:22

From your posts Luckylegs I doubt if you feel sorry for anyone.

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 07:00:04

The total paid in benefits to the unemployed doesn't even equal £4.6bn.

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 06:57:39

If TM is actually trying to manage the economy, she's doing a very bad job.

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 06:56:11

Ahem! Smileless That's no way to talk about pensioners. As I expect you know, they are by far the biggest users of the NHS and receive more in benefits than anybody else, but they don't pay NICs.

daphnedill Wed 31-May-17 06:53:37

Where's the evidence that there is £4.6bn of benefit fraud?

whitewave Wed 31-May-17 06:49:39

So lucky what is your solution to this problem of tax evasion, aggresive tax avoidance and benefit fraud?

Luckylegs9 Wed 31-May-17 06:45:14

With reference to Benefit Fraud, I cannot see how 4.6 billion in benefit fraud is peanuts. Same as 34 billion in tax evasion. These figures for 2015 and no doubt lots higher now. A lot of hardworking people, pethhaps working for low wages, help provide it. They are whom I feel sorry for, the workers.

Eloethan Tue 30-May-17 23:25:01

Several people on here and other threads have posted links and graphs to illustrate the actual facts of what is and has happened with our economy. Those who support the Conservative Party have pointedly avoided addressing any of these facts and figures but have continued to post derisive remarks and silly pictures - and then try and present themselves as victims when people respond unfavourably.

When a government prioritises giving financial protection to a small section of the population whose income has substantially increased, in some cases tenfold, while the very poorest people in our society have seen their incomes fall significantly, then I can't see how such policies can be justified.

durhamjen Tue 30-May-17 23:22:31

You haven't been on the schools thread yet, have you?

www.schoolcuts.org.uk/#!/

Which schools do your grandchildren go to?
How much are their schools going to lose if May gets in?

GracesGranMK2 Tue 30-May-17 23:22:31

There isn't only one way to manage an economy Smileless and some of the ways people try don't work. This one isn't working. The debt is growing and it isn't helping the citizens. It doesn't matter how rich you make one man if all the others are starving.

Is Canada's fiduciary system held up to ridicule? No, it is rarely mentioned. If you talk about socialism in practice you would perhaps mention Sweden; Canada is well know as a basically Liberal country. That is the level of borrowing we are talking about - not something the rest of the world would even blink at.

Please do not keep repeating lies. In a previous thread it was pointed out that the level of fraud is so low, in a comparatively low area of out of work benefits that it would make little difference. If you can show this is not correct please do so. Otherwise, like some of the worst of our newspapers you are out to mislead.

You are out of date and ill-informed but, of course, entitled to hold your opinion.

durhamjen Tue 30-May-17 23:19:28

There you go again. Benefit fraud is less than 1% and less than the money saved by the government getting its sums wrong.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/northdurham/consett/15304393.Heartbreaking_last_words_of_grandfather_who_took_his_life_after_DWP_investigation/

This is what happens when people get accused of fraud.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/northdurham/15317785.Housing_group_says_more_than___3m_of_benefits_went_unclaimed_in_County_Durham_last_year/

£3 million unclaimed last year.

Smileless2012 Tue 30-May-17 22:56:26

TM isn't "robbing schools, robbing us of the NHS and stealing benefits from people who have little money anyway and end up having to go to food banks". She's trying to manage the economy. Corbyn couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag, even it it didn't contain any sweets for him to negotiate.

How is providing free school meals to all primary children regardless of their parents' income going to help the struggling finances of schools? It's the people who dis honestly claim benefits, benefits that they don't need and are not entitled too who are taking money away from those who need it. It's those who will not work, who do not make NI contributions but make use of the NHS who are robbing us of it.

Hopefully she will be voted in because heaven help us all if its Corbyn.

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