A Labour Government.

You would only vote for Corbyn and Abbott if you lived in their constituencies. It's impossible to vote for both of them.

Roses, you praise Annie for being a dyed in the wool Labour voter all her life.

When I was at school I was the only one in my class to do a poster for Labour, which was a surprise to me & I believe led to me being more open minded & access the situation at any one given time so I am not rigidly one party as I beleive you have to judge the circumstances of the time & vote for those who you think is best equipped for the job at the the time & that at this moment in time it is definitely not Corbyn & Abbott

Very good post roses (today 16.40)

And I also saw Diane Abbot - as you say, very scary indeed.

IPad error.....it's stupid to be a dyed in the wool anything voter all your life.

Labour will not win! - all these fears of a Corbyn government or, heaven spare us, Diane Abbott in any sort of responsible government job, are unfounded as it is not going to happen!

But.....we can use a vote for Labour to curb TM's majority and that can only be a good thing.

Yes norose4, unfortunately I too caught a glimpse of her on TV this morning. I yelled at my OH, who had the remote, to do the decent thing!!

Whatever I vote in the future is up to me.It's stupid to be a dyed in the wool anything voter all your life.
Things change, it's the policies and people I am interested in, and if I think they are capable of being in charge.I certainly do not think Corbyn is capable of being in charge.
Caroline I know exactly what you mean, but some posters prefer to make jibes and point score in a personal way, and not to just say what they think about the politics being discussed on the thread.

Diane Abbott is scary full stop. I find her quite alarming.

Eh? Why would roses have not voted for Blair? (not saying she did) But what on earth leads you to that conclusion?

Yes, I watched that norose scary indeed!

Of course you didn't, roses. And if you couldn't bring yourself to vote for Blair, then you never will vote Labour, whatever you like to pretend.

Sorry, Caroline, obviously not clever enough to study PPE.
Better slink back into my hole.

None of your business durhamjen

Have you ever voted Labour, roses?
Did you vote for Blair?

Did anyone listen to the terrible ramblings of Diane Abbott on the Andrew Marr show this morning , very scary indeed .

Wrong trisher I am against him and not the Labour Party, which doesn't mean I would never vote that way, and also I can post what I like thank you.I can support comments about the Tories ( they are only called 'rants' when they are not Labour supporting I notice.) You know full well that all I posted is true, and that many Labour supporters cannot bring themselves to vote with Corbyn as Leader.
please don't bother to deny this fact.

Perhaps Annie actually does know what principles are - as in your case back then, durhamjen.

er, if I may perhaps I can offer another perspective...I confess that many moons ago I did study philosophy, politics & economics at uni. However any fan of Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister will also have this picture! Basically there are three types of 'business' that comes to the PM's office. Events dear boy events, foreign things (including events) and manifesto 'work'. The civil servants run the ship of state and so tend to steer/compensate for any abilities conspicuously lacking in the PM. The amount of manifesto work is a pretty fair reflection of a PM's personal energy/drive - subject to how much of the other headings 'occurs' of course. So I do not worry particularly who is PM per se. Ironically, though a fan of Ed Balls and David Milliband the idea of a leader who didn't want to be/never expected to be is an interesting test of the old adage about power...
It is unfortunate that the exchanges above are so limited and characterised by irritability. My long-term conclusion after reading Politics was that people in the UK are not properly educated about our political system. Indeed the right-wing funded press/media makes a point of denigrating all politicians and encouraging as many people as possible not to exercise their vote on the premise 'that they are all as bad as each other'. Of course when 'apolitical' folk suddenly decide to vote they may go for someone like Trump. That is a hard way to learn about political reality! Politics is an important subject - too important to reduce to irritated exchanges.

Some people just don't know what principles are.

So what? It got the LP into government, didn't it?

If you think Blair was a normal labour leader, roses, it just shows some of us were right not to support him.
I know tories and liberals who voted for him.

No rar you are against him and the Labour Party. You can't suddenly post how liberal you are when you have supported most of the Tory rants on GN. Most people in the Labour Party like the policies. A lot of the people in the country like the policies( 60% want the railways re-nationalised).
The media have tried to present the party and Corbyn as unelectable but thanks to his campaigning and social media word is getting out. That's why the Tory's lead in the polls has dropped so dramatically.

Great post Roses

Angelab, I do not want a Tory government , I very much want our good labour MP's re elected . My hope was they could get shot of Corbyn & Co but that has been fixed now. I will decide after the election if I will remain a party member. Much depends on some MP's I know personally being re elected and what happens with Welsh Labour , this is important to me ,Corbyn has already snubbed Labour in Wales , we are fighting this election for Welsh Labour

Why are some of you acting so 'surprised' that a Labour voter ( anniebach) is hugely put off voting with Corbyn in the driving seat aided and abetted by the likes of McDonnell and Abbott? What a threesome! Corbyn has spent his life on the backbenches being almost a one man protest party against almost anything that ' the establishment proposed' like the hero of Rebel Without A Cause, who when asked what he was against answered 'what ya got?'
Not only are half the Labour MP's horrified at where he now sits, but many Labour supporters also and everybody on these pages knows it.It stands to reason there will be GN members who feel this way too, but perhaps are not as brave as ab in standing up to detractors.
This GE is not like any other for two reasons, firstly there is Brexit on the horizon, and secondly this is not a normal Labour Party.Think of all the GE's we have all seen and participated in over the years.I have never worried that Labour may win
In quite the same way before.After the financial crash I hoped the Conservatives would win and was very pleased with the coalition.Then the next one, and the Conservatives won on their own.Now, although I think they will win again, they are not in the same enviable position of a few weeks ago.I was quite pleased with the Blair government, and never worried by any other Labour government either, because they were normal but Corbyn and friends are something else entirely and if ever in power could wreck our country in a way never done before.
That's why a great many people, even in the Labour Party are against him.