A Labour Government.

Trisher, how many times must I explain? Corbyn betrayed grass root members who worked their socks off in the eighties and nineties after the disasterous 1983 election to free the party of the trots and make the party electable, Corbyn was putting his energy into trying to get the trots back in.

So not a case of beliefs but of treachery.

I do not trust him , I agree with Margaret Hodge - he is a devious man . this is not going to change for me , it was a betrayal and I suppose if he was asked now he would say - with hindsight I was wrong.

If you haven't read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists the book that is said to have won Labour the 1945 election Try this
www.facebook.com/TRTP2/photos/a.596770850481839.1073741828.596712477154343/821655221326733/?type=3&theater

The question still remains Annie others suppressed their beliefs and supported Blair when he changed party policy why aren't you willing to do the same?

So what, Annie? So you don't want Labour to win.

And trisher, which party I choose to belong to and what I choose to post is my choice and I don't recall asking your advice on either ,

About 80 lsbour figures including the shadow cabinet and the NEC finalised the manifesto.

36 shadow cabinet mostly been MP's for two years and who want to keep their jobs

33 NEC , many are now Momentum members

That's 69 ,

For some reason that doesn't convinced me it has the support of most Labour MP's who have to get out in the streets . In honesty it is a Corbyn-McDonald manifesto

The tone of debate on these threads is surely set by the first posting.
In my opinion the first posting on this thread is one of the most unpleasant I have seen.

e.g. "that joke Corbyn"
Opinion presented as fact "so that like every labour government in history leave us in massive debts that will increase until, once again the country votes conservative to sort it all out"

It's fine to post if the poster has concerns, but that sort of dogmatism is going to be rebutted in similar terms.

Annie about a fortnight ago the Labour Party Manifesto was launched. According to the BBC About 80 Labour figures including the shadow cabinet and national executive committee met to finalise the policies
So why are you refusing to recognise this manifesto as party policy? If it is that you don't agree with the party policies why don't you just change parties? Or at least stop posting negative comments? Many people shelved their very real concerns when Tony Blair was leading the party in order to support him. It seems strange that you are not prepared to do the same, yet insist you are truly Labour.

I would hope he would have been very po-faced as DPP.
He's only been an MP for two years. Give him a chance.

I liked Keir Starmer as DPP but he seems to have become very po faced (along with most of the rest of them) and they are all so flipping patronising, as though they are the only people with brains.

Keir Starmer was in Tees Valley last week electioneering. He was on the local TV news.
This week he's been in his own constituency, not surprisingly.

Keir Starmer is a very well qualified Shadow Brexit minister (ex Director of Public Prosecutions) and comes across as likeable as well as a good negotiator.

Also talented backbenchers like Chuka Umunna, Clive Lewis, Dan Jarvis, Yvette Cooper would probably accept bigger roles if Labour won.
Emily Thornberry gave a very strong performance when she stood in for Corbyn at PMQ.

There is potentially a good, strong team there.

True Kitty, and who else from the party do we hear from? Abbott is on to akmost daily and making more of an idiot of herself every time.

Today she explained she has now chsnged her mind about her support for the IRA and compared it with changing her hairstyle

This woman will be in charge of the country's security

What has changed in a year Jen, how many of those who voted no confidence are now in the shadow cabinet. A few more have left though.

It's not just Corbyn though is it. It's Abbott, MacDonnell, Thornberry et al. (With apologies for any spelling mistakes!)

www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-may-has-both-luck-and-skill-on-her-side-in-this-election-campaign/

This article about Mayhem is only two weeks old.

It's amazing how much can change in a year.

trisher, exactly one year ago 172 labour MP's voted no confidence in Corbyn , they are not Labour Party members?

I certainly know others who have always voted Labour but do not want to vote Corbyn into office, Anniebach, so you are certainly not a lone voice. How they vote on the day remains to be seen - I'm hoping they can get beyond their dislike of the leader and vote for the party and its ideals. Of course a lot of young people, now registering to vote, are pro-Corbyn, so it'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.

I'm sorry Annie but maybe you post without considering carefully what you are saying. You must agree that the manifesto was produced by the Labour Party and the policies in it were agreed by the Labour Party . So when you say
^ the promises coming from Corbyn are now out of control, they cannot all be carried out so which will be dropped ? Since Thursday he has added thousands more police, massive increase in security branches,All this from taxing the few and assurance there will be no tax increases for the many, even free music lessons in all school and free school meals for all , no university fees for England , what will he promise next week?^
These are Labour Party policies You are criticising the party and not just Corbyn..

Eleothan, do try posting what is true,I have never rubbished labour, I am a Labour Party member , what you cannot understand is I have a problem with the leader not the Labour Party, I am distressed that the Labour Party is being taken over by trots and communists. And I have been far more loyal to the Labour Party than Corbyn has ever been, plus I do not lie , he does.

What is said in my local party is none of your business. Do I say the same publicly about Corbyn as I do here? Yes, it is known as being honest and I assure you I am not a lone voice, on here yes, in the real world no I am certaintly not a lone voice.

That makes sense Trisher. He certainly seems to do and have done a lot of research about tax avoidance.

This is the Yougov link to the survey about Manifestos mentioned above:
yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/25/manifesto-destinies/

Voters remembered the conservative manifesto mainly for "dementia tax"(36% remembered) going ahead with Brexit (12%), means testing winter fuel allowance (10%), cutting free school meals (8%), and reducing immigration (7%).

Labour's best remembered policies were scrapping tuition fees (32% remembered), more funding for NHS (21%), nationalisation (20%), increasing income tax (13%), and more funding for schools (5%).

I don't think he did anything wrong GracesGran Mk2 I do think he probably researched things when he moved the manufacturing to Ireland, which is why I suspect he knows a lot about the subject.

Did he actually do anything wrong Trisher? He is Irish and he made a choice to set up a company in Ireland. I don't actually see the problem.