The result

Even the last paragraph, GG2? I would have thought you would have some agreement with that, even if you disagree with all the rest. If the tories stay in power for the next five years (if) then let us hope that "lessons are learnt" from everything that has been aired during this campaign.

You may believe that only the tories threw dirt, descending to belittling the abilities of JC, but there was also a fair bit on Facebook and other places of demonising the tories, with conspiracy theories and accusations of the "hate the poor and want them all to die of starvation" level. (no, don't ask me for a reference and statistics for that, it was a description, not a quote)

Was trying to be diplomatic Ana!

Good post gg

The perils of confrontational politics. A Pyrrhic victory for T May but no real victory for J Corbyn either.

Certainly May has been confrontational and the Tory press has tried to tear Corbyn apart but apparently the truth has won out. May, I understand, has put herself in the position where she may be prosecuted as has the Sun. Meanwhile Corbyn never made personal comments. I think that is a victory for his principles in itself.

I do not think many on the left think there was no victory. Even some of those who have had harsh things to say about Jeremy Corbyn and certainly weakened his position are now apologising. Bringing a majority of those on the left back together is also a victory.

The destruction of consensus politics brought about by Thatcher and continued by Blair may not have yet been reversed but the direction of travel for politics has changed and is continuing to change. Myths that the right has peddled for years are being exploded and slowly truths are being allowed to resurface. I think that is another victory.

Meanwhile the Conservatives had destroyed their majority. No one did it to them they achieved it by themselves.

They have now set about destroying their leader. No one did it to them they are achieving it by themselves.

The character and the principles of both leader and party, who called Corbyn's attempts to talk for peace into question with such extreme comments, are being called into question as they go into partnership with a party that holds the most anachronistic views; so out of place in todays society that even their Scottish leader had to question how they would deal with these people. No one has made them look lesser by doing this, they are achieving it by themselves.

So no Elegran, I don't agree with your summary of the last few days. There is nothing victorious for the Tories at all and it may get worse. There is everything to cheer for with the Labour Party including the young people who are now seeing that they need not be ignored. That may be the biggest victory and it is definitely one that Jeremy Corbyn can claim as his own.

Two excellent posts Elegran

Surely, it's the responsibility of parents to ensure that children have a healthy diet, not a TV chef or the Gov.

Honestly Whitewave what % of the population do you really think are wealthy tax dodgers? Not all conservatives are wealthy and not all who are dodge their taxes. I wonder what the country will look like in the future if the young believe such rhetoric; will success in all it's forms be derided? Will those who've worked hard be demonised for their financial success? Will it just be footballers, movie stars and celebrities, who the young will admire?

Perhaps what the Labour party will have to do to win the next GE roses is base their manifesto on reality. Clearly, there were more who realised Corbyn's wish list was impossible to finance than there were who believed the country could afford it.

Cirbyn cannot spend the rest of his time as leader talking to the voters, he will not give interviews to Today , any interviews are prerecorded, he cannot hid away between elections . He did well speaking to voters but it's what he has been doing for over forty years , he was comfortable, to be PM he has to do much more , he csnnot send McDonald or Thornbury to represent him on the world stage .

Only starting?

There were no winners in all this.
Tories lost a majority
Labour lost third GE in a row
SNP had salutary warning re Indyref2
UKIP imploded
LibDems are still bumping along the bottom.

Perhaps it's time for all the speculation, name calling and arguments to stop. It's starting to feel like children squabbling in a playground.

Who knows what effect anything has on anything else until well after the event, when rival historians make/wreck their professional reputations and fortunes from learned books on the subject? If then.

No need for anyone to stop campaigning for what they believe in, but looking back the on the whole election exercise (announcing it, campaigning for one party or another, demolishing other views, blackening characters right, left and centre with varying amounts of foundation for the accusations and the mud/shit that have been flung around) it seems to have succeeded mostly in setting friends and families against one another.

Perhaps it will have a cathartic and educational effect. No-one can have any illusions about what Joe Public wants and doesn't want, and having "let it all out" maybe those in power can use what has been learnt to progress in a better direction than if it hadn't been called when it was. Let's hope so.

No one should take away what Corbyn has achieved.

There has never been a political leader that has been so vilified by both the printed media and the spoken media. He had the equivalent to Everest to climb in this election in a very few short weeks.

But as soon as he was able to talk directly to the voter, they gradually began to realise that they liked what they heard.

The Tories have forced a miserable agenda on the British population since 2010, gradually withdrawing so much that the poor and lately the middle class depend on. 7 long years of nothing to look forward to.

But the Tories and their wealthy friends continue to make hay regardless.

The Tories have since 2010 only just managed to scrape to a win, people vote for them with a heavy heart encouraged by the filthy gutter press. But with luck that era is vanishing. The young are not so stupid as to believe what the wealthy tax dodgers spew out every day. They listen to an alternative agenda and like what they hear. They learned the lesson of Brexit and will never allow that to happen again.

If Brexit was rerun today there is no way that it would be a victory for such a disaster to the British economy.

Labour will win the next election.

As Labour have now lost 3 GE's in a row, in spite of Corbyn offering free this that and the other ( although he did better than expected I think he got about as many or as few votes as Brown.)what do the Labour Party think they have to do next time in order to win an election?

Oliver said last night that, when he started campaigning for children in this country to eat more healthily, there was more legislation regarding what we fed our pets than our children. The Conservative Baroness on the programme asked if she could take the 7/8th of a Weetabix [with no milk] to show TM what a 7pence breakfast looks like....on the programme it also showed the House of Commons [subsidised] breakfast menu...

No idea Tegan

Well, in that case let's hope they can come up with a nourishing meal that costs 7p. Gruel perhaps....?

Possibly May knows qualified nutritionists she can consult if she wishes and doesn't need advice fron a tv cook

For the Labour posters on here - Perhaps a little less vigorous enthusiasm campaigning for the anti-tory cause might have left things no worse than they were before the election.

What does that actually mean Elegran, please? I don't know about anyone else but I'm not a 'Labour poster' by the way - just a poster with views - like you.

Elegran; why should we not campaign for a cause we believe in in order to support a government/PM whose social policies we despair of? Given that said government have, for the past year, done everything to further their own personal interests and appease their own backbenchers in spite of said actions damaging this country and it's peoples? How dare ANYONE blame us for the mess that this country is in ....did anyone see Jamie Oliver on TLL last night showing people examples of how much the 7pence breakfast allowance per child is going to look like? He tries to be non political but he says this is the first PM that has refused to have a dialogue with him with regards childrens health. That says it all, really [imo]

Elegran Do you honestly think that Labour posters' campaigning had much effect?

Who was that?

She needs to do as Corbyn did last December, get a member if the communist party to be his close advisor,ir worked for Corbyn, bubbling excess energy and even wanting to form a government because he came second in the election.

The perils of confrontational politics. A Pyrrhic victory for T May but no real victory for J Corbyn either.

For T. May - Consider Aesop's fable of the dog who dropped the bone he was carrying when he saw what he thought was a bigger one reflected in the water and tried to get it.

For the Labour posters on here - Perhaps a little less vigorous enthusiasm campaigning for the anti-tory cause might have left things no worse than they were before the election.

I thought the Cabinet would have played a bigger advisory role. How can a PM operate across the wide spectrum of government guided by 2 employees?

It's like a box set of Yes, Minister being acted out in the world's stage.

Apparently one of the advisers has resigned; no comment yet about the other one. From what has been said it sounds as if she may find it difficult to manage without them so heaven knows what will happen. I really, really resent the Tories putting us in this position just before Brexit negotiations I didn't want anyway which they brought about. Total incompetence doesn't cover it.

How can we have a leadership challenge at a time when brexit negotiations are about to start? The past two years have been some of the most car crash/shambolic times in recent history. Our country is a joke and our leader is the biggest clown of them all [having taken over from an even bigger clown...].We might as well send Mr Buckethead to Brussels...

Actually when you think about it it is exactly the same as all the other things she has brought in and then u-turned on. Oh I'll have a coalition with the DUP and govern with them. Phone call from Ruth Davidson about Gay rights. Oh of course I'll protect those. Phone call from someone else about Stormont. Well it was never going to be easy. Next Day Well it isn't happening!!!
Think NI insurance increases, Hinkley Point, foreign workers and social care.