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Sorry what do you mean ana are you suggesting that I am lying again about my personal life this time?

Blimey, it was a direct question. No direct answer. What are we suupposed to think?

What these methods are of no concern of yours.

Why not? Others might want to join you in whatever it is...if indeed it is anything....

primrose so since about 6pm this evening you have accused me of lying again, misleading, giving out commercially sensitive information and now implying that I said some people are types to be raped, when the phrase was clearly used metaphorically.

This is beginning to feel like harassment or is it trolling I never know the difference do you?

For crying out loud; will people please just stop picking up on words and phrases and just have an adult discussion.....

ww "lay back and think of England" is marital rape. It's pretty objectionable to imply there's a 'type' of person who is raped. Hopefully, we can get rid of those Victorian maxims from our language.

ana rose you are both clearly the types who are prepared to lay back and think of England.

Personally I have learnt that it gives one little satisfaction.

That is why I will and are taking every opportunity open to me to fight for an England that is both flourishing economically and a country fit for my children and grandchildren.

What these methods are of no concern of yours.

Sorry, Ana, I thought it might have been inclusive as I had written the same earlier.

That would only work if I had faith in the politicians doing the negotiating.

I was asking whitewave, not you durhamjen.

(wonder whether that will be perceived as a 'jibe' )

Oh right Rosesared because the politicians are making such a good job of it arent they! .

Perhaps writing to the papers or emailing your MP as well, not that it will help.
Far better for everybody to accept that it will happen and leave the politicians to get on with the negotiating.

but Smileless I have already said I have no problem with people who voted to leave after weighing up the evidence, and after consideration of all sides of the argument, please don't put words in my mouth. I do, stick to my opinion that many people voted to leave based on misinformation, for heaven's sake there is a recording of Pritti Patel, on the Today programe, a few days before the vote 'pledging' (her words) to spend the £350m per week,on the NHS. She was in no position to make this 'pledge' but that didn't stop her from saying so. Boris was tackled about the bus and it was changed from £350m per week to £50m per day....duh....The point I am trying to make is, some people were misled, and I am angry. I fail to see why I should just accept the result, the opposition parties don't just bow out after a General Election and say 'oh ok you won, we will leave you to get on with it ' do they? Democracy, so beloved of Brexit supporters, means being able to get your opinion heard, not just accepting what happens, and let's face it, the result was hardly an outstanding decisive majority.

There is no fighting it ( however noble that sounds) all it means is endless complaining on forums.

Some of us have a life away from Gransnet, Ana.

How? How are you fighting it?

Surely not just by complaining on here...

I certainly accept the referendum. However, cannot accept selling my country down the river is desirable, and will fight any deterioration in the economy and contracting life chances/choices for my children and grandchildren

I voted to Remain and would do so however many times i had a vote - I really believe that so much more is to be gained from interacting with our neighbours are - far better to sort out a problem than let it escalate and become a war.
I find the things happening in Poland very worrying and Turkey is far worse - there is of course no doubt that Turkey will not be allowed to join the EU which is another thing many people were understandably worried about. I just feel sorry for the population of the country.
What I just don't understand at all is when events around us do show that the UK is losing jobs - many of them well paid jobs which eventually gain more tax for the Treasury - prices increasing etc etc - how people who voted Leave can still be so positive it will be a good thing. I do admire their optimism.
Young people who have been able to gain very good qualifications will be able to get well paid employment in many countries if they are no longer able to get it in UK - but there will be large number of the population who are not in this category and will struggle to get well paid employment.
I read many articles in various papers and watch the different news channels but have so far failed to learn of any likely real benefit to the majority of the U.K. population when have finally achieved Brexit.

I voted remain (mainly for work related reasons) but respect that the majority voted to leave. We now have to some how make the best of it for us (the UK) .

I didn't say they were if you read my post properly. I said some people I know (well okay the lads at work) say they would vote leave if they had chance again.

I think it's all getting nasty (things generally do when someone's dares to disagree).

Who are these people Gill "who voted Brexit based on the deliberate misinformation churned out by some prominent politicians and the majority of the tabloid press"? How many of these people do you know personally? I'd be surprised if there were more than a mere handful who'd be prepared to discuss their reasons for voting Brexit with you because quite frankly you're "very very angry" because the vote didn't go the way you wanted it too.

What right do you have to "have a problem with ...people who voted Brexit based on sound bites of 'take back control' or to 'get our country back' or to restore sovereignty whatever they thought that meant"? You voted remain, others voted to leave and some didn't bother to vote at all and which ever the individual chose was their democratic right.

I voted Brexit "after careful consideration, after weighing it all up, and then deciding that Brexit was the best solution for (me), and by definition, the rest of the country". I'd like to assume therefore that you wont have a problem with me, but I very much doubt it.

What this country needs now is a lot more like Jalima "I didn't say I was happy with the result; however the majority voted and we have to forge the best future now".

How is the UK being held to ransom?

They are being asked to honour contracts signed.

The UK are threatening to send back all the nuclear waste they would normally process to the country of origin - maybe a bit more of holding to ransom

Some posters on this thread find it acceptable that other posters ( who voted for Brexit) are labelled as imbeciles, idiots etc.All because they themselves are angry that we are leaving the EU.
I think this says a lot about them, that they think in this way.
It means that because they haven't got their own way they feel free to lash out.
There are many posters who voted to Remain ( and Jalima is one) that understand what the referendum was about, and accept that the majority in the UK voted to Leave, and refuse to lash out/insult etc.

They're not holding us to ransom. At least they don't utter ridiculous comments such 'go whistle'. I'm ashamed to be 'represented' by people like Johnson.

Yes but gillybob the reports of the EU 'holding Britain to ransom' are produced by the very people who want us out of the EU! The Murdochs and Beaverbrooks and weird Barclay Brothers all are pro-Brexit. Personally, I am grateful for every report coming out of the EU, because if we had to depend upon reports from our wonderful Brexit negotiating team we would have a long wait.