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whitewave Sun 11-Jun-17 10:52:41

Now this really be worth doing!!

Let's start with the QS.

What will be left out/watered down! Not sure how they will explain it away as it's in the manifesto. Probably say something like "Brexit and all it's complications will mean that stuff will have to be shelved"

Fox hunting - out
Triple lock - remains
Social care - out

durhamjen Mon 26-Jun-17 14:17:03

By the way, don't read that too quickly. I read the first lie as on the back of an envelope.

durhamjen Mon 26-Jun-17 14:16:08

If the Chinese banks collapse, what happens to Hinkley Point?

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/serious-uncertainty-remains-hinkley-point-c

durhamjen Mon 26-Jun-17 13:59:34

Can't they plot even more if they don't have to go to the day job?

whitewave Mon 26-Jun-17 13:52:14

gg yes I do!!

whitewave Mon 26-Jun-17 13:51:44

You couldn't make this up either

The MPs summer hols are being extended to 3 months because May is trying to stop any plotting against her.

So I don't suppose it will matter as there isn't really anything urgent or of undue importance that needs their attention.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 26-Jun-17 13:48:51

Does anyone else feel it is very wrong that one party - on being only given a minority government by the people - can then use the money of those people to buy greater power.

durhamjen Mon 26-Jun-17 13:46:01

I was wondering what you were reading, whitewave.

Richard Murphy.

'I wrote about European banks looking as they are close to breaking last night. This is profoundly worrying. But it’s not just some banks that look as though they are at their limits. Almost forty years of neoliberalism and nearly a decade of austerity have left a great deal feeling it has reached this position.

Social housing has.

So too have the local authorities supposedly responsible for it.

The police can do no more.

The NHS is at breaking point.

As is education.

But let’s not pretend that this is just a government crisis. There is a personal debt crisis.

And Shelter have reported that by 2020 maybe a million people in this country will live in households unable to pay their rent.

This is a crisis created by the poverty of neoliberal economics.

It will be exacerbated by the absurdity of the UK being distracted by Brexit when it should be focusing on issues of so much greater magnitude: such is the self-indulgence of the right.

And what can be done?

First, say farewell to neoliberalism. Government has to be at the heart of the solution to these crises. I am not suggesting the task is for government alone: I have never thought that. But government is the bed rock of the economy; the espresso to which the frothed milk of the private sector is added to make the cappuccino of an economy in which we must all make our living and way. We have to recognise that fundamental fact now and reject all suggestions to the contrary.

Then we have to recognise there is no limit to the spending that can be undertaken to solve these problems – so long as we are willing to tax that spend back when inflation threatens. In other words, our only limit is the ability of the country to work: money is not the issue.

And we then have to put solving the crises in public services and in the incomes of people who are struggling at the heart of economic priorities. We will not be restoring 2007. And the old rule book is not what we must recreate. It has very clearly failed.

Which is my point. This crisis can be addressed. But not with neoliberalism. And, to be fair, not by thinking that an old fashioned dose of nationalisation will solve all issues, because it too is about control when the the need is for empowerment of people who have been oppressed by a system that built layers of debt to ensure that the capacity of most people to achieve was muted to the point of non-existence.

If the shackles that have constrained the economy, politics and us are to be removed then fundamental redistribution has to be part of he process. That is why I have always said writing off student debt and PFI are key, if only the start. Both could be done. But the symbolism is essential. As would recreation of the social funds of old be the clearest indication that when it comes to essential credit the state does not accept the exploitation of the market any more.

Tokenism us not enough. But it is what is required to create new momentum. A debt revolution is the way to signal the end of the mess we’re in. That, and an end to the austerity that has been designed to impoverish. The first steps to tackling the end of neoliberalism are very clear.'

whitewave Mon 26-Jun-17 13:36:52

Indecent????????

Independent

whitewave Mon 26-Jun-17 13:36:16

Indecent has a report giving a warning that economists fear another major banking crash, this time based on China economy which is overheating. Given that China has so much invested in the west, it is bound to have a serious effect, if it happens.

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 14:16:16

How is the UK being sold? Is the intention to turn it into a theme park with loads of "ye olde tea shoppes"? Will we all have to wear medieval dress?

Welshwife Sun 25-Jun-17 13:44:29

This is why it might impinge on people holidays.

fora.ie/ryanair-brexit-flights-3453952-Jun2017/?utm_source=email

GillT57 Sun 25-Jun-17 13:36:01

Chris Patten was great this morning! Shame we couldnt say the same about the buffoon Davis on Andrew Marr earlier, what a fool that man is.

mcem Sun 25-Jun-17 12:44:31

Enjoyed Chris Patten's comment about the '2 calamitous PM'S' (Peston!)

annodomini Sun 25-Jun-17 12:34:08

I have heard that Fox has been in the US, arranging to sell Britain. shock They really are wandering around in a fog of their own making!

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 11:46:54

I have a theory that May wheels out Leadsom and Davis to make herself look good. Johnson has been drugged (my theory), which is why he gave that car crash interview, which made Abbott appear lucid. I don't even know what's happened to Fox. Maybe he's been locked up in the Tower.

daphnedill Sun 25-Jun-17 11:44:14

Watched Davis on Marr. I always thought he wasn't the sharpest knife in the box, but that interview confirmed he hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

whitewave Sun 25-Jun-17 08:11:18

This government was willing to compromise our grandchildrens lives by cost cutting rules which would relax fire saftey standards.

There has been a panicked u-turn.

The know the cost of everything
But the value of nothing

GracesGranMK2 Sat 24-Jun-17 13:12:31

Me too Tegan but apparently you have to be supporting the government to be patriotic these days.

That would be wonderful whitewave and would have been even if we had been in this position. The Guardian is saying:

The amendment is unlikely to gain enough traction to pass through parliament but MPs hope it will serve to galvanise parliamentarians concerned about the impact of a deal with the DUP on women’s rights.

I have to admit May dealing with the DUP while I'm currently watching The Handmaid does not make me feel comfortable.

durhamjen Sat 24-Jun-17 12:01:47

I thought that had been ruled out by Irish politicians, whitewave.

whitewave Sat 24-Jun-17 12:00:06

Amendment being proposed by MPs from ALL the major parties, which will allow NI women to use the NHS in mainland U.K. For abortions.

Message to Maybot and DUP little get together

Tegan2 Sat 24-Jun-17 11:49:40

I think I am patriotic; that's why I'm appalled at what is happening here because of brexit.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 24-Jun-17 09:42:02

I find this incredibly worrying.

British Nationalist Andrea Leadsom demands the BBC "be a bit patriotic”

trisher Sat 24-Jun-17 09:32:33

If 10 DUP MPs are worth 2billion pounds how much is your area worth? Interesting question asked by woman on QT about how much Devon and Cornwall should get,

GracesGranMK2 Sat 24-Jun-17 09:22:30

How's the DUP talks going?

Behind closed doors and in secret whitewave. Although the taxpayer will end up having to pay for any 'arrangement' made the Tories don't think that is a matter for democracy apparently.

durhamjen Sat 24-Jun-17 00:17:02

Government could be taken to court over DUP agreement being illegal.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/courts-block-dup-tory-deal-constitutional-crisis-will-ensue/

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