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That's interesting, Maizie. So who made it a problem?

it was never seen as a problem within the country, in fact polls showed that the vast majority of the population were very positive about our place in Europe.

Time to remind us of this, maybe:

He has set up the Institute for Global Change

I think he could be influential through this.

Yes I'm talking about the Brexiters and dark money

Not just remain, lots of other areas as well, which is why I wondered where he stood in your dark people group.

Hasn't Blair formed some sort of remain pressure group?

Tony Blair has lost any influence he might have had.

I agree with him that brexit is a potential disaster which ought to be stopped but I don't think it's helpful for him to say it.

Where does Blair stand in this influential world?
He seems to know some pretty dodgy people.

The irony of IDS telling the Tories to stop stirring it.

I was reading this week some time that where Europe has always been a problem in the Tory party and the swivelled eyed loons, it was never seen as a problem within the country, in fact polls showed that the vast majority of the population were very positive about our place in Europe.

It was only once the hard right got the hard right press and financial backing from who knows where that they began to convince people that their experiences of low pay, NHS waiting times etc etc was all down to Europe, and that taking back control would make everything ok.

Of course most in the government and country had no idea of the influence of these dark people but they were wrong. Their tentacles spread far and wide.

It's not just that they have more than their fair share of influence now - they always have. Every Tory PM seems to have had a problem, more or less, with them. I suppose it's because they have a large following in the country among natural Tories. It will grow less as people die off and young people are better educated but who knows what damage will have been done by then.

That's because he is a remainer

They're really out to get Hammond, aren't they?

gill I don't really know it seems that they do have and have had more than their fair share of influence.

Of course we do know that they have outside help from the hard right like Banks and so called dark money.

Preferably with a stake through his heart?

But just how many Brexiteers are there in the Tory party, and why do they have such power? we all know the main culprits; Gove, IDS, Rees-Mogg,Davies,Fox et al, and my useless incumbent of an MP is one of the vociferous back bench Brexiteers, but surely they are not the majority? We need a few more like Anna Soubray, I like her, people who are blunt enough and not scared of the party whip, people who are not just concerned about their own political career She said that David Davies needed to be put back in his box

See the divisions and civil war is beginning to take shape.

Brexiters are trying to get May to sack some of her remain/soft Brexit cabinet. They are clearly alarmed at the way the tide is turning and are desparately trying to prevent any form of common sense or intelligence entering the whole situation.

I'm not conflicted.

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24761/sarah_wollaston/totnes/votes

That's what I was going to add, Rigby.
Somehow, I don't think she'll ever be voted in to take over from May, or even Hunt.

She would never get in, in her constituency otherwise. South Devon Totnes area no chance.

I'm conflicted about SW because I keep wondering why she is a Tory?

GgMk2 I love Dead Ringers too! "Govey" is wonderful.

The only Tory I have time for these days is Sarah Wollaston.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sarah-wollaston-democratic-unionist-party-dup-tories-deal-prime-minister-austerity-a7842476.html

Sadly varian, I think by the time the great British public realise just how conned they have been - and in some cases how foolish - it will not be possible for us to rejoin as things stand.

My hope is that the EU will see they need to change too but with the egos of the leaders I do wonder if some (all?) would rather see both the EU and GB suffer than change to meet the needs of both.

I have just been reading that the food bank in May's constituency has run out of supplies and needs a lot more donations.
Irony.
Where will it get them from?

I find it quite amusing odd that the Brexiteers are out in force on the thread that suggests they may have voted for loss of cheap flights to Europe (if only temporarily) but they're not showing much interest in what our shambles of a government is up to.