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whitewave Sun 11-Jun-17 10:52:41

Now this really be worth doing!!

Let's start with the QS.

What will be left out/watered down! Not sure how they will explain it away as it's in the manifesto. Probably say something like "Brexit and all it's complications will mean that stuff will have to be shelved"

Fox hunting - out
Triple lock - remains
Social care - out

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 20:22:41

That's interesting, Maizie. So who made it a problem?

MaizieD Sun 16-Jul-17 20:14:46

it was never seen as a problem within the country, in fact polls showed that the vast majority of the population were very positive about our place in Europe.

Time to remind us of this, maybe:

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 20:09:44

He has set up the Institute for Global Change

I think he could be influential through this.

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 19:42:33

Yes I'm talking about the Brexiters and dark money

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 19:40:21

Not just remain, lots of other areas as well, which is why I wondered where he stood in your dark people group.

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 19:37:57

Hasn't Blair formed some sort of remain pressure group?

varian Sun 16-Jul-17 19:36:04

Tony Blair has lost any influence he might have had.

I agree with him that brexit is a potential disaster which ought to be stopped but I don't think it's helpful for him to say it.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 19:12:07

Where does Blair stand in this influential world?
He seems to know some pretty dodgy people.

The irony of IDS telling the Tories to stop stirring it.

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 19:07:58

I was reading this week some time that where Europe has always been a problem in the Tory party and the swivelled eyed loons, it was never seen as a problem within the country, in fact polls showed that the vast majority of the population were very positive about our place in Europe.

It was only once the hard right got the hard right press and financial backing from who knows where that they began to convince people that their experiences of low pay, NHS waiting times etc etc was all down to Europe, and that taking back control would make everything ok.

Of course most in the government and country had no idea of the influence of these dark people but they were wrong. Their tentacles spread far and wide.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 19:00:17

It's not just that they have more than their fair share of influence now - they always have. Every Tory PM seems to have had a problem, more or less, with them. I suppose it's because they have a large following in the country among natural Tories. It will grow less as people die off and young people are better educated but who knows what damage will have been done by then.

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 18:52:22

That's because he is a remainer

Tegan2 Sun 16-Jul-17 18:49:15

They're really out to get Hammond, aren't they?

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 18:48:12

gill I don't really know it seems that they do have and have had more than their fair share of influence.

Of course we do know that they have outside help from the hard right like Banks and so called dark money.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 18:43:26

Preferably with a stake through his heart?

GillT57 Sun 16-Jul-17 18:41:55

But just how many Brexiteers are there in the Tory party, and why do they have such power? we all know the main culprits; Gove, IDS, Rees-Mogg,Davies,Fox et al, and my useless incumbent of an MP is one of the vociferous back bench Brexiteers, but surely they are not the majority? We need a few more like Anna Soubray, I like her, people who are blunt enough and not scared of the party whip, people who are not just concerned about their own political career She said that David Davies needed to be put back in his box grin

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 18:05:32

See the divisions and civil war is beginning to take shape.

Brexiters are trying to get May to sack some of her remain/soft Brexit cabinet. They are clearly alarmed at the way the tide is turning and are desparately trying to prevent any form of common sense or intelligence entering the whole situation.

Primrose65 Sun 16-Jul-17 18:04:56

I'm not conflicted.

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24761/sarah_wollaston/totnes/votes

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 09:21:22

That's what I was going to add, Rigby.
Somehow, I don't think she'll ever be voted in to take over from May, or even Hunt.

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 09:10:23

She would never get in, in her constituency otherwise. South Devon Totnes area no chance.

Rigby46 Sun 16-Jul-17 09:04:56

I'm conflicted about SW because I keep wondering why she is a Tory?grin

MawBroon Sun 16-Jul-17 09:04:44

GgMk2 I love Dead Ringers too! "Govey" is wonderful.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 08:51:58

The only Tory I have time for these days is Sarah Wollaston.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sarah-wollaston-democratic-unionist-party-dup-tories-deal-prime-minister-austerity-a7842476.html

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 08:49:42

Sadly varian, I think by the time the great British public realise just how conned they have been - and in some cases how foolish - it will not be possible for us to rejoin as things stand.

My hope is that the EU will see they need to change too but with the egos of the leaders I do wonder if some (all?) would rather see both the EU and GB suffer than change to meet the needs of both.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 08:49:26

I have just been reading that the food bank in May's constituency has run out of supplies and needs a lot more donations.
Irony.
Where will it get them from?

MaizieD Sun 16-Jul-17 08:38:16

I find it quite amusing odd that the Brexiteers are out in force on the thread that suggests they may have voted for loss of cheap flights to Europe (if only temporarily) but they're not showing much interest in what our shambles of a government is up to.

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