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GracesGranMK2 Thu 15-Jun-17 11:37:49

Former leadership rival Owen Smith appointed to Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary in Jeremy Corbyn’s reshuffle

Announcing the changes to his Shadow Cabinet, Mr Corbyn said: “I am delighted to announce four appointments to fill shadow cabinet vacancies. I look forward to working with the strengthened shadow cabinet as we prepare a government in waiting to carry out our manifesto for the many not the few.

whitewave Mon 10-Jul-17 14:01:36

Say what with conviction kitty?

kittylester Mon 10-Jul-17 13:59:17

I don't doubt it ww but how do you say it with such conviction. Not a dig but interest.

whitewave Mon 10-Jul-17 13:46:13

Barnier and Corbyn are to have extensive talks this week, in the anticipation of another election. Barnier is keen to discuss Corbyns position re Brexit.

whitewave Sun 09-Jul-17 19:22:40

There's plenty if you look for it bags

Baggs Sun 09-Jul-17 19:17:03

Ignoring racism, misogyny and bigotry is the way to go, ww. I haven't seen any from Liddle yet. If and when I do, I might even upbraid him on it. He's prolly on Twitter or something.

nigglynellie Sun 09-Jul-17 17:35:49

Except that certain of them put JC up as a candidate after Ed Millband lost the 2015 election, more fool them. They must be kicking themselves now! Never has 'be careful what you wish for ' rung more true!!!

rosesarered Sun 09-Jul-17 15:50:59

....although, it has to be said, I do feel some sympathy for moderate Labour MP's.

rosesarered Sun 09-Jul-17 15:48:47

I didn't see any racism, bigotry or misogyny in the Liddle article posted.Just the truth about what has happened within the Labour Party.

whitewave Sun 09-Jul-17 15:42:59

I'm sorry bags but there is a huge difference between what you term professional provocateurs and Liddle. There is nothing professional about him whatsoever. If what he spouts had any merit I would be more than happy to discuss his drivel, but it doesn't hold any merit, just as his racism, misogyny and Bigotry I can happily ignore.

rosesarered Sun 09-Jul-17 15:12:35

I think Rod Liddle is about right, and I agree with your posts Baggs that even if you don't agree with Liddle, it gives pause for thought.

I also agree with not finding it sad when an older person ( famous) dies.I don't know them, after all.I hadn't given Bond any thought at all, since reading the stories to my DC about thirty years ago.

daphnedill Sun 09-Jul-17 15:05:23

Just looked at Liddle's Wiki profile. It's certainly...errmm...interesting.

Baggs Sun 09-Jul-17 14:57:56

I think professional provocateurs are a sign of a healthy society. A healthy society needs people who contradict the expectations of the Good and the Proper people, it needs people who sometimes say things that shock the easily shocked.

Baggs Sun 09-Jul-17 14:54:21

dd, just by the bye, Liddle claimed before the GE that he was, up till then, a lifelong Labour voter. It's the loony left in Labour that he has a problem with, like many another up-till-recently Labour supporter.

Baggs Sun 09-Jul-17 14:49:31

Re other comments on the subject of Labour, they're mostly just whinges because Labour LOST the election.

<waits for the inevitable jibes along the lines of that Baggs must be glad Labour lost>, the misinterpretation of plain acceptance of reality.

Baggs Sun 09-Jul-17 14:43:56

mistake in last post but one

*thinking that listening to something one disagrees with IS an endorsement...

(i.e. it's not)

Baggs Sun 09-Jul-17 14:41:30

I didn't know Liddle had said anything about Nelson Mandela's death so I looked some up. I found, among other things, an article in the Guardian. I didn't see anything in it that doesn't bear repeating. He is reported as saying that he thought the BBC coverage was over the top. One can agree or disagree with that but it isn't awful. He is quoted as summing up the coverage as: "famous nice black man dies". One can think that dismissive or grumpy old soddish, or not. And he's also quoted as saying that he was sorry Mandela was dead.

People are always saying how sad it is when someone famous dies. I never find it sad. I find it inevitable. People die, especially when they get very old, as Mandela had. Saying this does not affect my interest in the man's story and his importance in the history of South Africa. If other people find the death of a famous person sad that's absolutely fine. What isn't fine is thinking everyone else must feel the same or they are a bad person.

I wasn't sad when Michael Bond's recent death was announced either. There was a gush of emotional overflow in the media over it and then everyone forgot about him again until they next read his Paddington stories. What I wondered is how many of those gushers had spent even a minute thinking about the creator of Paddington in the decade or two before he died.

Baggs Sun 09-Jul-17 14:23:33

People who believe in freedom od expression don't have a problem with letting those they dissgree with soeak, ww. I think you are making a common but often mistsken assumption that listening to someone whose opinions you disagree with, even strongly disagree with, is not an endorsement of what they say. Rather it is getting to know the enemy to better oppose it.

Your comment also falls into the who not what trap.

Anniebach Sun 09-Jul-17 13:36:05

Not silly kitty, he pretended to be , he has the gift of presenting himself as the provider of all things for all people ,nhe has even announced who he will vote for on an ITV programme Love Island , so in tune with the young isn't he smile

whitewave Sun 09-Jul-17 13:12:43

You must be the only one in the country who did kitty

kittylester Sun 09-Jul-17 13:09:30

I thought corbyn was a remainer - silly me!

Anniebach Sun 09-Jul-17 10:37:40

Exactly Daphne, it's why some Tories want an election

daphnedill Sun 09-Jul-17 10:31:50

I'm not sure what point you're making.

daphnedill Sun 09-Jul-17 10:30:55

Noooo! Don't let Corbyn loose on Brexit. He's more pro-Brexit than May. I'm not surprised that some Tories would like another election. Some of them would lose their seats, but Labour would in the long run lose support from their Remain core.

Anniebach Sun 09-Jul-17 10:30:15

So seeing large numbers of young people at Corbyn rallies shouldn't give Corbynites hope of their votes ?

daphnedill Sun 09-Jul-17 10:26:46

Don't forget that it wasn't just the "young" who voted Labour. The majority of under 45s did. 18-24 year olds actually accounted for a small percentage of the total Labour votes, because relatively few of them voted.