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GracesGranMK2 Thu 15-Jun-17 11:37:49

Former leadership rival Owen Smith appointed to Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary in Jeremy Corbyn’s reshuffle

Announcing the changes to his Shadow Cabinet, Mr Corbyn said: “I am delighted to announce four appointments to fill shadow cabinet vacancies. I look forward to working with the strengthened shadow cabinet as we prepare a government in waiting to carry out our manifesto for the many not the few.

Anniebach Sun 09-Jul-17 10:25:22

Some labour MP's had their invitations to attended the Durham event withdrawn

Anniebach Sun 09-Jul-17 10:22:57

The Labour Party has been split since Corbyn became leader .

Some Tories want an election soon,

Get rid of May

Let Corbyn loose on Brexit

Let the young realise they have voted for the land of Oz

Give the Tory party time to get it's self together and the death of the Labour Party

daphnedill Sun 09-Jul-17 10:16:14

He's also a writer for the Spectator. The article sounds like incitement to split the Labour Party, which (of course) is precisely what the Conservatives would love, before their own splits tear them apart.

Anniebach Sun 09-Jul-17 10:03:50

Why shouldn't he, he is anti Blairite, anti centre labour , what more could the far left want

whitewave Sun 09-Jul-17 09:55:30

bags I am not clear how such a controversial figure as Rod Liddell - , who has been accused of racism and misogyny where his short lived time at the BBC he fronted " the worse programme ever recorded".
He was seen as a loose canon by the BBC management. In a programme he did for channel 4 he allowed Nick Griffin of the BNP to speak unchallenged.
He supported those on trial for the Stephen Lawrence murder.
His comments on the death of Mandela do not bear repeating

On and in it goes..
How can you suggest such an article by such a man should be given and serious consideration?

nightowl Sun 09-Jul-17 09:34:02

Can't disagree with him about the Blairites. But if he has any hope at all that they might form a new party with a commitment to the working class of this country (I'll ignore the next hysterical ranty bit of that sentence) he's living in cloud cuckoo land. Their only interest is hanging on to their jobs. And anyway, Jeremy Corbyn is doing very well at showing a commitment to the working class of this country and the polls suggest that working people are responding favourably to him.

Baggs Sun 09-Jul-17 09:02:53

According to Rod Liddle, it's bloody time moderate Labour MPs did resign en masse. His article on the subject today:

Snuggle down on your bed of nails, Blairites: you made it yourselves

Rod Liddle

My personal vat of sympathy is not infinite. I keep it by the garage and it’s topped up from time to time by a firm based in Maidstone. But in this searingly hot weather evaporation is a real problem. And sometimes I scoop around in it with my ladle and the ladle comes up dry.

So it was last week when I tried to find some sympathy for moderate, or Blairite, Labour MPs. They say they are being “bullied” and “intimidated” by the Trot-Snowflake Momentum caucus that now runs the party and would, if there were an election tomorrow, run Britain.

A fairly jubilant caucus, then. It has also been reported that there are moves afoot to deselect some of these poor moderate moppets, people like Luciana Berger and Thangam Debbonaire. So, the ladle goes in. And the ladle comes out bone dry. If ever a bunch of people were getting their just deserts, these are the ones. And if there were any issue on which Corbyn, John McDonnell et al were morally and practically totally in the right, beyond all argument, this is it.

Why? Because the moderate drongos of the Parliamentary Labour Party have made their own beds. Not only made their own beds but offered a turndown service and left a couple of chocolates on the pillow too.

After Labour’s lamentable defeat in 2015, when everybody thought it would win, or come close, these same Labour moderates decided to offer the right to vote for a new leader for three quid to anyone and everyone — come and take part in our exciting election! Cue a massive Trot-snowflake kiddie influx. The moderates did that, nobody else.

Next, a whole bunch of what used to be called “sensible left MPs” — including, incredibly, Frank Field — decided to make the leadership contest more interesting by seconding the nomination of the bearded proto-commie loser Jeremy Corbyn. Yes, without those nominations Corbyn wouldn’t have stood a chance. The moderates did that. And then to their horror, he won, easily.

Who does New Labour represent any more? Nobody. It is devoid of purpose
The moderates then started carping, cavilling and moaning, resigning their front-bench posts, confident Corbyn could be ousted and that he would be a disaster. They then fashioned out of plywood a credulous idiot to challenge Corbyn in a second leadership election, in a manner that was unfair, derisive of party democracy and, worst of all, inept. Owen Smith got hammered and this strengthened Corbyn’s position enormously. The moderates did all that.

After that debacle, they continued to moan and undermine Corbyn, when a better policy might have been to get behind him or get out, as Tristram Hunt did. When the general election was announced they went on attacking their leader — for his incompetence, leftism and supposed lack of voter appeal.

And then when this “Corbyn factor” actually saved not only their seats and careers but also added a bunch of other seats, the Blairites were suitably chastened — for about 25 seconds. Then, shamelessly and as ever ineffectually, they started putting the boot in again. They voted against the leader’s instructions on the crucial Brexit vote.

Hell, I do not like Corbyn and still less that Marxist thug McDonnell, and I will not vote for the party while they run it. But on this issue Corbyn has been a lot more patient than I would have been. Who do the Blairites represent any more? Nobody. There is no strand of thought they represent that appeals to the public. They are devoid of purpose, meaning and voter base. Even more so if Blair himself is eventually arraigned on war crime charges. A zombie mentor from a time of delusion and perfidy.

Corbyn’s lot are right. These Labour MPs should join the Liberal Democrats. Or form a new party that has a commitment to the working class of this country (rather than Hamas, Venezuela, the IRA and Cuba). But I suspect they lack the guts and chutzpah. Either way, why would anyone feel sorry for them?

kittylester Sun 09-Jul-17 08:53:39

And, I saw on the news, a report that lots of moderate labour mps are thinking of resigning en masse before they are deselected.

And, to think he could be running the country!shock

whitewave Sun 09-Jul-17 08:10:29

Durham miner's parade.

200000 people attended to celebrate the north easts mining heritage.

Corbyn attended what became the biggest, loudest proudest rally ever.

Corbyn was received with cheers and rapturous applause.

He has won the hearts and minds of the young - he is now begun to win back the hearts and minds of the working class.

People were heartened and impressed by his speech.

rosesarered Fri 30-Jun-17 10:00:17

It must be......because just about every political thread is about Labour kitty grin

kittylester Fri 30-Jun-17 09:58:34

Is the 'title' of this thread a joke? confused

GracesGranMK2 Fri 30-Jun-17 09:35:53

This is a fantastic maiden speech from the new Labour MP for North West Durham Laura Pidcock.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 30-Jun-17 09:34:56

So we not only have to be poor now we have to have worked down a mine or at least known a miner to prove our belief in our own politic views!

Such poverty of thought that just attacks people not the real problems.

Anniebach Thu 29-Jun-17 20:02:45

Three shadow front bench ministers have been sacked and three shadow front benchers have resigned over the vote for amendment to single market

rosesarered Sat 24-Jun-17 10:11:30

As in The Broons ( Browns) smile

MawBroon Sat 24-Jun-17 10:07:40

Whitewave it's MawBrooN

Anniebach Sat 24-Jun-17 10:07:33

Corbyn is doing something right, sadly it is something right for himself and not the country

GracesGranMK2 Sat 24-Jun-17 10:00:02

Also being serious whitewave, I find it interesting that A Leadsom is stooping to putting out seriously worrying propaganda out trying to muzzle the BBC and that other, less heavyweight individuals are trying to deride a man for simply talking to people somewhat younger than they are.

Corbyn must be doing something right I fee.

Anniebach Sat 24-Jun-17 09:54:21

I was surprised Corbyn isn't in Camden talking to the hundreds evacuated, but just remembered he has their votes so has no need to feel their pain.

rosesarered Sat 24-Jun-17 09:40:18

Maw your efforts will not be appreciated on this thread.grin
ww your post was straight from the 'Serious Socialist Handbook'

Jalima1108 Sat 24-Jun-17 09:38:27

What's he singing?
Summer of '69 (link on other thread)

whitewave Sat 24-Jun-17 09:29:17

mawbroom that comment about momentum will no longer wash im afraid as it is false news put out by the mainstream media and is no longer listened to by those who want their information unadulterated.

MawBroon Sat 24-Jun-17 09:26:03

Oops, just seen (possible) playlist on the other thread.
Maybe one addressed to Trump "Get back!", and for his Momentum supporters "Back in the USSR".

MawBroon Sat 24-Jun-17 09:19:34

What's he singing?

GracesGranMK2 Sat 24-Jun-17 09:18:17

Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury this afternoon. That should be interesting. It seems to be taking Glastonbury back to its radical roots although the younger people in the audience may know nothing of that smile