The - we don't have a Labour thread, thread

This is what happens when you outsource student loans.

www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jul/29/graduates-anger-nightmare-student-loans-company-complaints

durhamjen
That's probably got something to do with the fact that Denmark has a population of 5mil+

Is that the norm for all schools?

There are 12 in DGD's class (primary)

Talking about education with my son and his Danish wife. I asked her what size classes she had in Denmark when she was in school.
17 at the most.
We need more teachers. Why are there not more courses in the philosophy and sociology of education?

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/education/labour-warns-half-million-pupils-taught-supersized-classes/

I agree with what you are saying about modern degrees Gracesgran people speak disparagingly about degrees in Media Studies when in fact the media is a big part of our economy.

I don't think I've ever seen Primrose lose her temper on GN.

What the f**k does that mean gracesgran?

It seems to me Primrose that you often come on here to find a reason to loose your temper. I wonder if you could help me understand why you think that was an appropriate thing to say – and why you think I, or anyone else, should answer you.

One of the things I have noticed is that going on into higher education, or any furthering of learning, quickly teaches you that there will always be someone who knows more than you do not only in subjects other than your own but also in the one you are studying. I have found that generally means people take the information as a learning opportunity and not one where you start swearing at others.

Only it reads like Urban Dance is a euphemism for 'not white' dance. As we're unlikely to get less multicultural.

I think the problem is yours not mine Primrose. I saw Urban Dance, in the first instance as not including such things as Morris Dancing or Scottish Country Dancing as these were obviously not 'Urban'. In Urban areas the population changes more quickly than in country areas and in some - not all - there is a turnover of migrant populations - Jews, Huguenots, Jamaican, Poles, etc., each of whom will assimilate some of the culture around them and add some of their own to the existing culture. From my existing knowledge, I took Urban Dance to mean just that - dance absorbing many cultural traditions. That thinking was what prompted my comment. ... but I knew I didn't know much about Urban Dance so I looked up the meaning of Urban to see how it would relate to dance. It is quite simple just to Google 'Urban meaning'

urban
[ˈəːb(ə)n]
ADJECTIVE
in, relating to, or characteristic of a town or city:
"the urban population"
synonyms: built-up · town · city · inner-city · densely populated · [More]
denoting or relating to popular dance music of black origin:
"hip-hop's traditionally urban vibe"

Now, having answered your question, perhaps we can leave Urban Dance behind and get back to the topic.

I couldn't manage one move let alone a whole lesson.

Just watched some of those videos, Jalima. It looks exhausting.

My granddaughter's dance group put on a show last Friday. Excellent, it was. Well worth paying two pound on the door.
They are not as old as those in the videos.

Street Dance is multicultural because it started in America and has come over here now.
It's nothing to do with being non-white. There are lots of white urban dancers from different cultures.

How does it read durhamjen?

Rude and unnecessary, Primrose.
I didn't read it like that at all.

You can join the Urban Dance Camp Primrose

There is no other dance intensive education to compare with the Urban Dance Camp. You can participate at more than 160 classes over a period of 44 days.

(sounds very exhausting though, think I'm a bit too old)

Busking can be good, especially to help with university expenses.

^ What I have found is that people who are getting older get very out of touch with the world. I can imagine the understanding of Urban Dance being very useful. Let's face it, we are unlikely to get less multicultural as the world becomes more and more globalised^

Only it reads like Urban Dance is a euphemism for 'not white' dance. As we're unlikely to get less multicultural.

What the f**k does that mean gracesgran ? I'd be thrilled if you can tell me that I've misunderstood.

I still tell those who ask not to go into higher education because they want a better job, but do it because you enjoy learning, GracesGran. Whatever your level in the workforce, education can't be a bad thing.
My grandchildren can busk as well!

Like I said, Denmark values education.
For some, perhaps, ufortunately it seems to be rather more difficult for a student (mother Danish nationality) who has been brought up outside the EU to gain a place at university in Denmark despite having spent part of her school years in Denmark and gaining top marks.

How about education being worth-while in itself Jen Whatever the subject, it is the increased level of learning that makes the biggest difference and we desperately need to increase the overall level of learning for the future.

I can imagine the understanding of Urban Dance being very useful. Let's face it, we are unlikely to get less multicultural as the world becomes more and more globalised

I don't understand the connection between Urban Dance and globalisation. Care to elaborate?

It does seem to me Primrose, that many of those who didn't want us to be European really want us to be American.

I don't know of anyone who has said there is such a thing as free education. Although your children and grandchildren, like all at primary and secondary stage, are able to receive their education free to them at the time of learning - that seems to work although the far-right are intent on brainwashing us to believe it doesn't and can't. But we do know that is simply not true; it is a choice.

So as no one (that I have heard) has tried to say it is free what exactly is your argument?

Excellent post, GracesGran.

My son with a music degree has spent all his life working with music and enjoying it, until some jobsworth at his academy decided music wasn't valuable enough to have all the pupils studying it.
My other son with a degree in engineering has never had a job in engineering.
There must be some meaning to that, but I can't work it out at the moment.

www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/10/03/there-is-not-such-thing-as-a-free-college-education/#210542d4417a

Written from a US perspective, but the concept is universal.

Jen, I don't really think it matters if there is a degree in Urban Dance or not. What I have found is that people who are getting older get very out of touch with the world. I can imagine the understanding of Urban Dance being very useful. Let's face it, we are unlikely to get less multicultural as the world becomes more and more globalised.

I have heard the blinkered talk of Sports degrees and degrees in Hospitality and Tourism being worthless - showing very little knowledge of today's industries. Tourism, for instance, has been the UK's fastest-growing sector in terms of employment since 2010. Sport England says that 15.8 million adults now play sport once a week, 1.75 million more than a decade ago and the leisure industry, which would encompass both these area and Urban Dance (should it be real - and I am beginning to think it needs to be) generates over £200 billion of revenue a year.

It also seems to me, to quote Oscar Wilde that “Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”

As for the nurse paying for the other persons degree - that was once what we generally agreed was the way to raise the real values in life for everyone. She will, if the taxation system is progressive, only be paying according to her means while the Urban Dance student may go on to pay for many nurses to study should they be on that level of earnings. Of course they may both end up making it a better world too.

What are Danish rates of tax (and of income, and of the cost of essentials like housing and heating and food) compared with ours, I wonder? Or maybe there are some things our taxes pay for that Danish ones don't.

I don't think it can be explained as a simple difference between Denmark/Danes valueing education and Britain/Brits not doing so.