The - we don't have a Labour thread, thread

She is still an educated Dane. Denmark is happy to fund education wherever it takes place for its citizens.
I know a British woman who is taking a degree in Denmark, in English.
If she stays there she will have to learn Danish properly, but will not have to pay for the course.

Like I said, Denmark values education.

Denmark does it. It sees an educated population as an asset.
You say your DIL was funded by the Danish government to study here, but doesn't she live here now as well? So she is an asset to the UK not to Denmark?
Which is our good fortune but Denmark has no return on the investment.

Although I may have misunderstood from your other posts.

By the way, what is your masters in?
Something worthwhile, I hope.

Is there a degree in urban dance?
Degrees in performing arts; English, dance and drama.
My youngest granddaughter is brilliant at street dance classes, having become disheartened with the old fashioned ballet teacher that she had.

If a dancer can pay tax for a nurse's degree, why can't a nurse pay tax for a dancer's degree?

We pay tax, not for anything in particular, but for living in a civilised society. That includes street dance as much as ballet.

Here, this will help to explain the point I was trying to make.
I said

I can't see how you can justify taxing a nurse to pay for someone to take a degree in [*****] insert your favourite 'worthless' degree here.

For example
I can't see how you can justify taxing a nurse to pay for someone to take a degree in Urban Dance.

If you feel that it's right to tax a nurse to pay for someone to take a degree in Urban Dance, that's fine. If you don't that's also fine.

You didn't say that, Primrose.
You said that some are worthless.

There are suggestions in some quarters that some Masters degrees are worthless.
There are suggestions in some quarters that nursing degrees are worthless.

durhamjen saying that some degrees are more valuable than others doesn't mean you don't value education.

So, that's what I said, but you are telling me I was wrong.
Sorry I do not understand you.
Primrose implies that some degrees are worthless.
That is not valuing education for its own sake, is it, as Denmark does? It's valuing some education, not all.

Yes, it is, dj. There are suggestions in some quarters that some social science degrees are worthless.

'But I can't see how you can justify taxing a nurse to pay for someone to take a degree in [*****] insert your favourite 'worthless' degree here.'

Really, bags?
Is this not implying that some degrees are worthless?

durhamjen These cheap jibes are so boring ......
I'm a (mature part-time) university student studying for a Masters at the moment. I'm quite happy to talk about the value of an education and why I'm happy to pay for what I think is immeasurably valuable.
But keep telling me what I think, what I value.

I don't think anything prim has said leads to the conclusion you appear to have drawn, dj. I think it is not a good idea to tell other people one hardly knows what they think.

Depends what is meant by educated. In some cases it's mis-educated, according to some.

You don't see it as an asset, Primrose. If you did, you wouldn't imply that some degrees are worthless.

Martin Lewis said that students should not bother to try to reduce the size of the debt accrued at university as most of them (77%) will never pay them off.

"I'm tempted to say rip up your tune to lian statement - it is just frightening and irrelevant"

Just think of it as a 29% tax rate for 30 years rather than the basic rate of 20% of your earnings after you get to 21K pa.

That does seem excessive to me though.

Are you implying that the UK does not see an educated population as an asset?

Denmark does it. It sees an educated population as an asset.

I don't think the UK is poor but I can't see an equitable way to fund university/FE for 50% of the population.
It's easy to justify it for doctors, engineers, scientists. It's possible to build a case for some arts degrees.
But I can't see how you can justify taxing a nurse to pay for someone to take a degree in [*****] insert your favourite 'worthless' degree here.

I'm not sure anyone suggested it was Primrose. The original post was because people have been brain washed into believing we are poor - we are not, that the only party that can govern is the Tories - pleeeese!, and that anything any other party suggests is laughable - that would be what the arrogant planks putting their ambition before our countries future then tell us.

I don't think we will come up with exactly the same system as any other country but we do need an educated population and it is to all our advantage that we get it.

I'm not sure separation into 5 types of secondary school based on academic ability is the way forward for the UK.

Clever, GracesGran. That made me laugh.

Good reminder Jen.

20 - 25% to university but how many in total into FE/HE via properly constructed apprenticeships? What level can they study to within these? Degrees studied within a university are necessary and good but they aren't everything. We are only just really getting to grips with degree apprenticeships - Germany has been doing similar (and better) things for decades.

As for 'the UK' not accepting it, young people are becoming increasingly aware that this can also be an excellent route. We need to remember no government has got it all wrong and no government has got it all right but we currently have the closest thing to no government.

My Danish daughter in law took a first degree here, then a masters, paid for by her government. They also paid a grant for living expenses for four years.