What would you do if we decided not to leave the EU?

I saw a report today done by a Treasury Dept which showed whichever of the three possible outcomes of Brexit it would cost each family money - ranging from 2k to 5k per family - that is a bit of raiding to the piggy banks. Also it is very unlikely that trade would increase as everyone hopes. To be honest I have yet to see anything positive being predicted when we leave.

Being the sad little girl on the edge of the playground in my early life I still argue that being part of a big group is so much better than being on yr own! We might all have our own opinions but pulling in vaguely the same direct will always be better than standing aloof thinking you are better than 'them'

I would be delighted that we had seen sense and that I need not worry about the future for my Hungarian DiL and GS, and that DD could carry on with her research without having to worry about where the money was going to come from.

I also would be delighted and relieved I have family living in Gibraltar and for many reasons they are very concerned how Brexit is going to affect them and their children.

I voted for Brexit. I doubt if it will happen now. The EU was designed by bankers for bankers, and bankers rule the world. We are headed toward a Momentum government now, we have demonstrated that we are not concerned about democracy anymore and will accept what is thrust upon us.

I agree with mcem. It's not Brexit that's really the issue. How other countries must be laughing at us and at our political mess.

Some form of Brexit is unfortunately very likely to happen and that will be the final nail in the mess the UK has got itself into.

I would tut and mumble a bit.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/18/brexiters-vote-poverty-even-worse-than-austerity?CMP=share_btn_link

Interesting article

My reaction would be a combination of Bluebell's and Paddyanns thoughts. Still hoping for a ''reprieve''

I would be relieved if brexit does not happen, as I am very much afraid that if it does it will break up the UK. I am not sure Scotland can go it alone, if brexit results in a new referendum on independence, which I fear it will, and what about Northern Ireland?
As far as I could see at the time, the majority for leaving the EU was voted for mainly by the Midlands, and generally speaking I do not think the politicians who want brexit tried hard enough to inform the voters dispassionately of the consequences, so even if we regard the actual voting as a democratic event, it seems as if the individual voter made up his or her mind on information that was not good enough.

We are certainly not laughing at you in Denmark. We are very concerned, both for our own trade markets, as the UK is still one of our really big export markets, but also because most Danes in our age group still feel affection for the British - we haven't forgotten yet that Britain fought on, when the rest of Europe was in thrall to Hitler.

There will not be a last minute reprieve in my opinion, Brexit will happen, but on what terms we will have to wait and see. We always have our piggy banks raided regardless of who is the power, the government (of either colour, the EU, the city councils etc) but of course we have to pay if we believe in joint responsibility. I think people become upset when they see the authorities wasting tax payers money on vanity projects, gravy trains etc. Most do not resent money being spent on essential services, and research.

Thank you, grandtante. My daughter in law is Danish, and her family feel the same.
My grandson has a Danish passport, even though he was born here, because his parents were not married when he was born.
The rules then changed so his sister has a British passport.
Very confusing.

My husband's father was one of the first to cross the border into Denmark after the war, and met a lot of German troops coming in the opposite direction. They surrendered to the British troops, for which he was very grateful, as the British were easily outnumbered.

I would be furious if we didn't leave the EU fully after the Referendum vote was for LEAVE. Being in the Customs Union means not being able to make our own trade deals with the outside world so that's no good either. I can't understand why anyone would want their country ruled by someone else. Everyone had the chance to do their research about the pros and cons of being in the EU and vote accordingly.

For those EU lovers here are some facts. As well as the DAILY fee of £50 million plus we pay to be in their great friendly club we also paid:

1. 2.4 BILLION in VAT paid direct to Brussels.
2. 1.7 BILLION “punishment for success” because we had higher growth than expected.
3. 642 MILLION Fine for “poor Accounting” on Farm Subsidies.(from YOUR money)
4. I BILLION Towards Bail-Out of Greece
5. 150 MILLION fine for not flying the EU flag on projects partly funded by the EU with YOUR money.
6. 250 MILLION To Turkey and Albania to help them join the EU.
7. 300 MILLION fine a year until we meet Pollution targets set out by the EU.
8. 900 MILLION a Year to treat EU tourists on NHS
9. EU gifted 22 BILLION of your Taxpayers To boost French economy.
10. 300 MILLION costs to businesses for EU Red Tape
11. 40 MILLION in lost revenue in EU student Loans which are unpaid and the students have disappeared back to the EU.
12. 250 MILLION towards helping with costs of migrant crisis in Europe.

Aren't Scotland and Denmark about the same size in terms of population, grandtante?
I have more faith in Scotland going it alone because of Denmark.

Quizqueen, the only reason that £40 million in lost student loans is in your list is because we do not have free education.
Both my daughters in law, one Danish and one Spanish, had their fees paid for them by their respective countries. They also had grants paid by their own countries. Their education was not a burden on this country at all, and they are now both working in the education system, so we benefit from their countries policies - unless, of course, you think that teaching languages in not a benefit.

Where does this information come from qq?
You need to take into account the loss of UK trade as well. As well as many other benefits of belonging to a large trading group. Environmental co-operation, peace in Europe for the last seventy years, police and security cooperation, UK health rights in Europe (EHIC), university research etc etc etc......

Rejoice and throw a party!

Talk about spite you nose..

I could provide a similar list qq to show how much leaving the EU will cost this country, and believe me it will amount to much more than your shouty list.

But undoubtedly the economy will completely tank, people will end up in even greater poverty. That figure alone will top your list by billions.

We will be unable to trade without skilled negotiators who have already demanded something like £165m per annum each, and we will need hundreds if not thousands of them. That is on top of the vast number of lawyers fees. I could go on but there is no point -the Brexit argument has as far as I can see been lost.

Quiz queen you are great. Quite right the remainers are still grumbling and sadly in this blog many leavers are stumbling. Did anyone not realise WE ALL HAD THe SAME INFORMATION WHETHER IT WAS INADEQUATE OR NOT. PLEASE DONT SUGGEST THE LEAVERS HAD SO LITTLE THAT HAD THEY HAD MORE THEY WOULD HAVE VOTED REMAIN. How ridiculous we all had the same! Like you quiz queen I just did my own independent research. The press and the remain politicians continue to put this country down. What on earth are they doing playing into the hands of the European Parliament. It was the same in the election wasn't it everyone shouted, by the way where is Tim Farron now? So many got caught up in meaningless and budget busting policies because there were handouts. Media madness as in a SALE! If we were given a chance BREXIT would be good for the UK

PS Who on this site have travelled, plenty I guess. Poverty, we don't know we are born, Indonesia, Egypt, India , Africa etc etc we are Not a third world country although some suggest we are. Go look!

Where do you live, jefm?

jefm I am afraid that you old hacked arguments have completely lost the plot.

No one will listen to lies any more and we are more than aware that the hard line Brexiters are more than a little worried that they have lost the argument, which is why you are suddenly popping up on Forums like this to try and lie some more.

Well I've got news for you -we will no longer be listening to people like yourself but will be listening instead to the experts who we now realise actually understand what they are talking about. None of your shouty arguments will work.

quizqueen
Thank you for taking the trouble to print that info. There's one thing you forgot, etc, ect, etc

jefm
I travel a lot. You don't need to travel that far to see people living in horrendous poverty. Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, all in the eu. Albania and Serbia waiting to join.