Revenge terrorist attack

Hatred just breeds more hatred!

Riverwalk ...it's a lot of comments back now, but the Police have money and resources to investigate terror attacks ( or anything designated terror) they have been well funded over the last few years.
As the man is Welsh, they will be working with local police on this incident.

The cat is well and truly out of the bag with vehicles being used to kill and injure groups of people now, it will happen for all kinds of reasons.

Joelsnan and Nelliemaggs it must be very hard to know someone who is being or has been radicalised in whichever sense of the word.

Good post, Bluecat.

Calling this a 'revenge terrorist attack' is giving credibility to the killer. ....... Hating man expressed his hatred, not 'revenge'.

So, Pamish, how do the words uttered by the perpetrator, "I've done my bit, you deserve it" not sound like an act of revenge? Even the Muslims are saying it's equivalent to his meaning "I am punishing all of you for your atrocities."

In the USA where because of the millions of guns available, mass shootings happen with horrible frequency, they are usually done by white men. Then there is a lot of investigation into their mental states, history, upbringing, to find them other than ordinary men.

Of course deliberately murdering their fellow human beings means they have mental health problems, often narcissistic psychopaths. But only white shooters get this analysis, whereas all terrorists are the same. This white terrorist had detached himself from being fully human, so do the others.

Joelsnan, I am very sorry for your loss. It must be so very hard to bear.

As for the recent attack, it plays right into the hands of ISIS, etc, because it is the exact result they want from their own terrorism - to provoke the same response and divide the communities. Fortunately, I believe (or maybe I just hope) that most people have enough kindness and decency to draw together in response to the pain and grief caused by such violence.

I do think violence committed for ideological reasons such be labelled as terrorism, regardless of the colour or creed of the perpetrator. Identifying the man who did this and the man who murdered Jo Cox as "men with mental health issues" does seem rather a case of using weasel words to avoid calling them terrorists. I think it would be fair to say that the Muslim men who carry out terrorist acts most likely have mental health issues too, but that isn't usually the focus of media coverage.

Still, whatever you call it, the attack was a terrible thing to happen, and I feel very sorry for the people hurt.

Calling this a 'revenge terrorist attack' is giving credibility to the killer. He was possibly just an ordinary hating man driving about and saw a group of obvious Muslims on the pavement and aimed at them. From the accounts so far it seems they were tending to a man who had collapsed on the pavement so were possibly more visible than usual. Hating man expressed his hatred, not 'revenge'.

devongirl I saw something about that on Facebook. a search brings up
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAxIOC8Zisc
isisnotinmyname.com/
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/notinmyname-paris-attacks_us_56494ef7e4b045bf3defbf7a
uk.reuters.com/article/uk-italy-muslims-march-idUKKCN0TA0UA20151121

And one which does not think that organisations like this do any good - but there are some good comments. leftfootforward.org/2014/10/why-muslim-not-in-my-name-campaigns-are-part-of-the-problem/

*Nelliemags' Your post resonates so well. I was living and working in a Muslim country whilst my son was being 'brainwashed'. I flew him out to be with me so he could see just how lovely Muslims are and who, like most Christians do not take their holy books as gospel truth and who just want to get on with life.
The truth is anxiety and paranoia are totally irrational to those who are not afflicted and totally real for those who are, sadly recent events in the media reinforced his fears.

joelsnan we suffered a similar tragedy in the extended family early in May. We have no idea of his reasoning but I have some understanding of the shock and bewilderment and send sincere condolences.

What a lovely post Nelliemaggs [flowers}

And for Joelsnan, too.

How very sad you must be and so brave to post here when you must be feeling very raw.

I have been watching with increasing dismay the radicalisation of someone I know well. As far as I can see it has all been done on Facebook. Someone posted something which resonated with him and he 'liked' or 'shared' it, which ensured that more such posts would come his way. The more he shared the more the posts would have kept coming. I first realised something was up when he shared a post from the EDL and another from an Australian hate group. Oh I see I didn't share with you that he is not a Muslim but a white man with no belief, living in an area where seeing a Muslim would be a very unlikely occurance. He took to posting his own hate utterances. I began to message him about fake news and reputable sources and for a while I thought he was listening to me, then the Manchester attrocity happened and he and his nasty followers and 'friends' ratcheted the hate up a notch. I told him that he is as much a brainwashed idiot as the lone young man with a chequered past and a death wish.
I took a look at his Facebook and every post was deluded raving about how Muslims want to take over the world and depose the Queen and impose Sharia Law and are all plotting war. I asked whether he thinks concentration camps would be his solution but he hasn't replied. He says he cannot understand why I am not afraid of the imminent war with Muslims. Throwing statistics at him is useless, reasoning with him is pointless, he tells his wife that he doesn't want to read anything from me because I am too stupid to see what is in front of my nose. What is actually in front of my nose living in London is my delightful Muslim neighbours who beg me to let them know if there is anything they can do for me, the Syrians in my corner shop, the Muslim cabbie who brought my daughter back from hospital with such care, the Afghani lady from whom I buy the most delicious bread, a large percentage of our doctors and nurses, many of the kids I used to teach, perhaps 17% of the people living in my part of London. Maybe there is a wrong'un among them just like among any group of people but my experience of Muslims here is that they are horrified by and fearful of terrorism and are here for a peaceful life. So I have seen radicalisation happening and in answer to the question someone asked, what do they want from us? they want to be famous, to please their brainwashing masters, to cause discord and to make us hate one another.

Does anyone know of a petition/website along the lines of

NOT IN MY NAME

Britain is now a multi-racial community. The vast majority of its citizens are law-abiding and peace-loving.

We have to celebrate and tap into that fact to improve the sense of a shared community.

I am not suggesting that a multi-cultural, multi-faith society does not carry with it challenges and subtle distinctions between assimilation/integration and tolerance of difference. But we now live in a global world and cannot turn the clock back. We have to emphasise our shared humanity.

nigglynellie you are so right!! I consider myself English but going back over the generations I have Scandanavian, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and Cornish ancestors.

It was the fire service that Boris cut, 550 London firefighter jobs plus a dozen stations, have gone. Those stations now luxury flats.

Joelsnan -

Horrendous...YES but wrong to blame Boris Johnson. Even if there had been a thousand more police on the streets it would not have stopped this happening. My thought go out to all those affected by this incident

Blimey, and you all thought that I was a right wing fascist! For the record I've even astounded by some of the comments on here. Indigenous people, England no longer England, hang on here, over the centuries people from all corners of the world have settled and been welcome here regardless of race or creed so these comments are quite disgraceful. Incidentally the 'Great' of Great Britain means large, wide reaching inclusive of the four countries and off shore habitations that make up these islands not fantastic or fabulous, or a state that is somehow superior to other countries.

These people are not imbeciles if they are anything like my darling sweet, soft hearted and kind son who took his own life a couple of weeks ago.
My son suffered from stress and anxiety, he became obsessed with news 24 and Twitter and was paranoid about what he came to see as Muslims taking over the world by one method or the other. He knew the Koran and Hadith's better than many Muslims. I tried to point out his irrationality but his fear and anxiety were too intense. Sadly he took his own life at the end of May. His anxieties highlighted to me the perpetrator of Jo Cox's death, an apparently kind unassuming man with no real far right affiliations.
There is a distinct difference between Muslim terrorists because their objectives are driven by religious ideology (it is the true ideology not perverted as some would say) whereas the 'revenge' terrorist usually act independently based on fear and a sense of justice.
The media plays a very big part in creating these sorts of attacks by loop replaying the dreadful events, inflaming and perpetuating sadness, anxieties, and fear amongst the population, some can cope, some switch over or switch off the TVs whilst some become hypnotised by the constant replay using these replays to feed and reinforce their anxieties.

More police would not mean police hanging round on every street corner waiting for an incident, but more working within communities, been seen around and knowing their local people. This has almost disappeared, we have given up on expecting any police presence here for 'minor' crimes.

20,000 police jobs have been lost in the past seven years.

One passing post I've seen says this man is a member of the EDL - the English Defence League. So yes, inspired by terrorism though they will probably deny it, in between secretly praising him to the rafters.

There's a few new posters around at the moment - they all seem to have one thing in common - hummmmm

I am fed up of hearing the same thing being said by the likes of May, Corbyn and Khan about communiities coming to gether to stop terrorists, to do what? how does that stop them?

Am i being a bit thick in not seeing how this would prevent awful things happening.

I am genuinely interested in answers to these questions.

I was puzzled by the description of a 'terrorist' attack, rather than a 'hate crime' ,as I thought that meant one planned by a terrorist group? But I suppose it is any act designed to inspire terror, with victims chosen at random..
Doesn't matter what it's called, but people seem to attach importance to it.