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Anniebach Fri 23-Jun-17 20:45:10

800 are being evacuated , cladding a fire risk

mcem Sun 25-Jun-17 07:47:18

Hear! Hear! paddy.

MaizieD Sun 25-Jun-17 07:32:10

I totally agree, paddyann. Good post grin

paddyann Sun 25-Jun-17 01:47:13

Trident to go too ..its an out of date system that we dont even have full control over.Make Faslane Navy not nuclear ,after all theres only 520 jobs that rely on the "nuclear deterrent" thay could all be pensioned off with a fantastic pension and lleave shedloads of cash for more important things ..like more conventional forces to patrol coastal waters and still leave spare cash for emergencies.As Phillip Hammond said ,"having a nuclear capability wont make North Korea a safer place ..it makes them a target" just change that NK for UK .

mcem Sat 24-Jun-17 20:41:36

Yes cancel HS2. How can anyone justify that expenditure to shave some 20 minutes off an already short rail journey and ignore the lack of expenditure on infrastructure throughout the country?

NfkDumpling Sat 24-Jun-17 20:28:36

DJ I vote for cancelling HS2 first - and then Trident.

NfkDumpling Sat 24-Jun-17 20:27:06

Apparently the tenants in a tower block in Norwich were asked if they wanted their block tarted up and they declined as it being a waste of money and they'd rather it was spent on better things such as a proper playground. I don't think it was an option for the others. The only dodgy block is an upgraded private block of very expensive flats. Not every council had the funds to spare in the first place (fortunately).

Katek Sat 24-Jun-17 19:48:41

There are no affected tower blocks in Scotland. What is different here? More stringent building regs/fire inspections? I genuinely don't know.

durhamjen Sat 24-Jun-17 15:38:19

In an easy chart.

durhamjen Sat 24-Jun-17 15:36:21

www.24housing.co.uk/news/endemic-fire-safety-problem-in-tower-block-housing-stock/

This data was released on 11th June, about the differences between those on high and low wages and how they are treated.

firedoorsafetyweek.co.uk/nations-poorest-greatest-risk-fire-warns-fire-door-safety-campaign/?article=true

MawBroon Sat 24-Jun-17 15:29:48

Apologies Anya great minds and all that smile

Anniebach Sat 24-Jun-17 15:08:43

No Eleothan, Blair, Brown, did not speak against Corbyn any differently to any others who were militants and determined to break the party

Corbyn often took up causes the Labour Party didn't such as supporting the IRA

I have no fury for Corbyn, just disgust as I have for all hypocrites

durhamjen Sat 24-Jun-17 15:01:12

That's good, Eloethan, to put it all in one place.
It certainly looks like neglect of safety on the part of the government, trying to dilute the regulations even further.

There was a fire safety officer report this morning about the fact that oversight of building has been taken away from engineers and architects on social housing to save money.

rosesarered Sat 24-Jun-17 14:51:32

It will be all kinds of councils that have fitted the cladding, Labour ,Conservative and mixed ones. We need to know why but at the same time, it may have been ok to fit it if there had been firebreaks on the building.It will all come out, and as a result, all tower blocks and social housing and public buildings will be safer places.

Eloethan Sat 24-Jun-17 14:42:21

What have the so-called "Corbynites" and Corbyn got to do with this anniebach? Why are you directing such fury at him? Corbyn was a backbencher who often took up causes which the established Labour Party weren't particularly bothered about. Last year he tried to pass a law to make homes safe. In the past, he had no ministerial responsibility for housing standards or building regulations. If you recall, Blair and then Brown were the PMs and most of their appointed ministers are the people who have briefed against Corbyn.

In any event it is the Conservative Party that has been quite open about its disdain for regulatory controls.

On 14 June the Mirror reported:

" A former Tory housing minister warned MPs against beefing up fire safety regulations, because it could discourage house building.

"Brandon Lewis admitted automatic sprinklers save lives, but said it was not the government's responsibility to encourage developers to fit them.......

"... Mr Lewis told MPs: "We believe that it is the responsibility of the fire industry, rather than the Government, to market fire sprinkler systems effectively and to encourage their wider installation."

"Theresa May's new chief of staff Gavin Barwell was the latest of a string of Tory ministers to pledge a review of building regulations, after a damning report into the fire at Lakanal House in London in 2009, which claimed six lives.......

"The Tories ignored two coroner’s reports into fatal high rise fires that called for safety improvements.

"After the inquiry into the Shirley Towers fire, that led to the death of two firefighters, the coroner wrote to the then Communities Secretary Eric Pickles to press for sprinklers to be fitted in all high rise properties.

"The same call was made by the coroner Frances Kirkham into the 2009 Lakanal House fire in Southwark, London, which killed six people

"Ms Kirkham wrote a Rule 43 letter to Mr Pickles in 2013 setting out a series of recommendations.

"Rule 43 letters are only sent when the coroner believes there is a risk other deaths will occur unless action is taken.

On 22 June the Guardian reported that:

"A government-supported initiative to cut red tape considered a push to dismantle EU regulations on the fire safety of cladding and other construction materials in the weeks before the Grenfell Tower fire.

"A document obtained by Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth, and seen by the Guardian, singled out EU regulation which covers the safety and efficacy of construction materials as among the first to target for dismantling. Among the products covered in the EU regulation is cladding.

"The document was produced on 10 May for the Red Tape Initiative, a body supported by the government, to “seize the opportunities” of Brexit to cut red tape. Entitled The EU’s Impact on the UK Housing and Construction Industry, it picks out the Construction Products Regulation (EU 305/2011) as “red tape folly” which is “expensive and burdensome for small businesses”.

"The regulation aims to harmonise the quality of construction materials, including external cladding, across the EU, to make sure they are safe and fit for use.

"It states: “The construction works must be designed and built in such a way that in the event of an outbreak of fire the generation and spread of fire and smoke within the construction works are limited.”

As it appears these regulations were already in place, then presumably they were either not rigorous enough or they were ignored. Whichever way you look at it, I guess that most people would think that trying to dilute them even further or get rid of them completely would be even more dangerous.

Anya Sat 24-Jun-17 13:45:02

Yes they have. It failed the fire-proof test, but also issues with gas pipes and stairways, fire-doors, etc.

rosesarered Sat 24-Jun-17 13:42:15

It looks like over reaction, but Camden Council won't want any blame if there are any fires there.Does this mean ( looks like it) that Camden Council have also fitted substandard cladding?

durhamjen Sat 24-Jun-17 13:38:45

27 tower blocks in 15 different authorities.
That's so far. They can only test 100 a day.

How do we pay for all this?

Cancel Trident?
Cancel Hinkley Point?
Cancel HS2?

Anya Sat 24-Jun-17 13:36:51

Annie love, please stop going on like a cracked record. I'm asking nicely.

Anya Sat 24-Jun-17 13:35:40

In the recent 'upgrading' of Grenfell Tower Annie the gas pipes were not boxed in. Residents complained but their worries were ignored.

Anya Sat 24-Jun-17 13:33:03

Oi! I've already said that Maw

MawBroon Sat 24-Jun-17 13:09:40

It seems the councils are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
They need to get their respective acts together and get on with the job.

Charleygirl Sat 24-Jun-17 13:05:28

From memory Camden has been Labour since I moved to London in 1968. They are not totally blame free.

Anniebach Sat 24-Jun-17 12:45:32

Surely the Corbynites will defend this London labour council,

Corbyn doesn't seem to feel the pain of these poor people, more cameras at Glastonbury for him and more applause , he already has the votes of the Camden borough

WeaverFairy Sat 24-Jun-17 12:14:49

The block in which my ma-in-law lives has pipes not blocked in. Apparently in the early hours of the morning a couple of people knocked on the door (despite three different people having been given the information re my brother-in-law and asked to phone him rather than wake and frighten ma-in-law) the people who called had no idea what was happening and said they were ADVISING people to leave not compelling and they agreed that a leisure centre was no place for someone with advanced dementia.

Anniebach Sat 24-Jun-17 11:02:38

What of the 27 blocks? And are they new gas pipes ?