Aimed at the Wrong People?

Your OP complained about the amount of rubbish left. You have no idea whether it is left by the rich and privileged or not. You complained about it being left for the underdogs to be cleared up.
Now you are saying it's not fair that there isn't enough to be picked up!
Sorry, but can't you see the irony in that?
It's not about spin - unless that's what you were doing in your OP.

Yes, me too MaizieD

The thing is, it has got so huge now and obviously the organisers have to delegate.

djen - yes, of course, less rubbish than normal is good.
What makes you feel sick and angry, the fact that your OP wasn't right?
how you spin it, I suppose. My OP is even more relevant in the light of what has just happened. I am surprised that you cannot see that as I thought you were a champion of the 'under-dog', not the privileged.

Zero hours contracts - they could suit some people (students perhaps) but I don't agree with them because no-one can plan their lives properly.

I agree, Jalima, it is disgraceful if it is as reported.

I'm just wondering how much control over the Festival Michael Eavis has now. He is quite elderly. It's such a huge enterprise that I'd be surprised if he knew every detail. (though I'm sure he knows this one now...)

I've always had the impression that he's a 'good guy'. I wonder if he was fully aware of the situation?

By the way, what is your opinion of zero hours contracts?
That's what I disagree with, but lots of people on here have said that they are a good thing.

"However it appears that this year’s good weather, as well as the use of charity workers and on-site litter crews during the festival, meant that there was less rubbish after the event had finished. Up to 600 workers are understood to have now been laid off."

What makes you feel sick and angry, the fact that your OP wasn't right?
Less rubbish than normal is surely a good thing, isn't it?

Just an update on this thread.
For anyone who said that this thread was unpleasant - perhaps you find that this is acceptable.

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/hundreds-of-european-workers-fired-two-days-into-glastonbury-clean-up-a7818571.html

I don't, it has made me feel sick and angry.

Exactly, Anya, and doing one does not preclude doing others.

It really doesn't matter does it - I mean whatever way you choose to make a difference. Some want to help the homeless, others save tigers. Some march in protest, others are more hands and stand rattling collection boxes. Some won't eat meat (or any animal product) others ferry the elderly to hospital appointments.

So long as you are actively helping someone or something then you have my respect.

Violife, devongirl, particularly their Prosociano which you can use instead of Parmesan, or their mozarella.
I also like soft Sheese to use as pasta sauce.

Anyone can join, Ana, we're not fussy. All you have to do, really, is stop eating meat, fish and dairy. Really easy.
The rest will follow naturally when you start thinking about what you are doing.

Are you sure you really want to commit yourself, devongirl? It seems the conditions for joining are pretty stringent...

I'm going to go completely off-piste here - dj you mentioned vegan cheese earlier, do you have a reccomendateion (I'm vegetarian would like to go the full monty but addicted to cheese )

Well, bully for them!

Do vegans not care about the poor and dispossessed?
Are the two mutually exclusive?
Vegans think about the world as a whole, and stopping the rise of global warming.
As well as thinking about the poor and dispossessed, in this country as well as the rest of the world.

We are really veering off the subject now......but let me say this, The Salvation Army has always been there before anyone else where there is need.They care about homeless people and the lonely and anybody else who needs help including gay people.The rules they have within their own hierarchy are exactly that, their own rules.
Times have changed, and young Mothers haven't been told ( for a long long time) that they have sinned and their babies put up for adoption.We can't judge what used to be the case, when it ceases to be.
We are only talking about the Salvation Army because both Iam64 and myself then said how good we thought they were.
dj thinks being a vegan is more important than the work they do ( it does surprise me somewhat as dj is always talking about the poor and dispossessed in society, but there you are.)
naturally I shall go on supporting the work they do.

devongirl, I don't think its anything to do with fear it is more that any holy book, the Bible, Koran or any other, was written by men, interpreting what they thought was God's will but based on the prejudices of their time.

The God I believe in loves everyone, male, female, gay, straight, black, white and any colour in between. He doesn't care whether you describe yourself as gender fluid or non gender. He loves us all completely and without reservation.

GracesGran, I have been racking my brain for an example of an ostentatious display of piety by atheists and have come to the conclusion that I have no idea what it means.
Atheists cannot be pious, can they?

I don't know what it is about organised religion and women. I can't help feeling it's actually more about fear than loathing - after all we are the bearers of new life. So better to make sure they keep us subjugated. It veers from one extreme (virgin Mary, epitome of good) to the other.

Let us not forget the mothers who gave birth in those mother and baby homes were there because their parents either placed them there or their parents refused to have their pregnant daughter in their home and she had nowhere to live , st least those homes gave pregnant girls shelter

I wish I could say your post was of interest GG, but I don't tell lies

Those who show the most ostentatious display of piety have always been atheists.

NEW COMPETITION. Can anyone make a more 'holier than thou' comment than this one.

Unbelievable for someone who calls themselves a Christian. As we know the Bible can be used to justify unspeakable evil but in this case just being a Christian is used to justify unspeakable pompousness.

A recent documentary about unmarried mothers between 1950-1980 gave women the opportunity to recount how they were forced to give up their babies for adoption. Some of the accounts reflected religions' prominent role in stigmatising these women and treating them harshly.

One of the young mothers, Alison, said staff at a Salvation Army maternity home constantly told her she had “sinned”

Other religious groups including the Church of England and the Catholic Church were cited as behaving similarly.

Their stories saw an apology issued by the Catholic Church

Or what about this 2016 article from Pink News:

"The UK’s Salvation Army chief has admitted the organisation still bans gay people from serving as members.

"The international Christian organisation has long come under criticism for its approach to LGBT people – with internal policies actively banning gay people from serving as officers, unless they remain celibate."

Similar, and much worse, prejudice and discrimination is practised by many religions throughout the world, and women are almost universally seen as inferior and treated accordingly.

So far as the Christian churches are concerned, it seems to me that these sorts of views bear little relationship to the sort of values that Jesus seemed to demonstrate during his lifetime. I appreciate that there are people of all faiths who stand up against bigotry and discrimination and who carry out charitable works - but I am talking about organised religions - which are invariably male-dominated - rather than individuals.

" Make no mistake, this is all to do with party politics, rather than any concern for democracy or the "will of the people".

Yep, ever since the Referendum took place.

But you claimed he was a Remainer. If I remember correctly, Corbyn very grudgingly supported Remain - 75% (or thereabouts). Before then, he had always expressed Europhobic opinions, in line with old style Labour views, which saw the EU as a supranational, capitalist conspiracy.

If Corbyn genuinely accepted the views of Labour voters, he would make the case for staying in the EU or, at least, negotiating a Norwegian-style agreement.

Both Corbyn and May have been spooked by UKIP. The party itself has disintegrated, but the supporters haven't gone away. Make no mistake, this is all to do with party politics, rather than any concern for democracy or the "will of the people".

dd.... I meant that JC was keener than TMay on going ahead with a harder Brexit.

Eh? Corbyn has always been anti-EU. Up to now, he has generally fudged the issue. It's a crossroads for Labour, because they need to decide whether they want to keep the younger, generally pro-EU voters, who are feeling let down, or the older, traditional voters, who are generally pro-Brexit.

It's a real problem, because over 70% of Labour voters supported Remain (possibly more since so many younger people registered), but 70% of Labour MPs are in Leave constituencies.

I know some Labour Party supporters claim he's playing the long game, but time is running out.