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Aimed at the Wrong People?

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Jalima1108 Mon 26-Jun-17 16:27:31

Was Jeremy Corbyn's speech at Glastonbury aimed at the wrong people?

The well-heeled and privileged people who paid £238 each for their tickets, teepees or glamping extra, running into the thousands of £, cheering him on and lauding him are not the disaffected living in poverty whom he champions. Do they not see the irony in this as they go back to their middle-class comfortable lives, recycling their rubbish and urging us to 'look after the planet'.

This is from last year but I am sure it is just the same this year. Brand-new tents left behind, mounds of rubbish to be cleared up by others - who cares who clears it as long as they don't have to soil their own hands. Someone will do it - probably on a wage less than a quarter of what most of them will earn.

'Takers of the system' as the commentary says:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y70LCoK-XMA

And the fence - the fence!! Perhaps Donald Trump could take a lesson on how to build a huge fence to keep out the hoi-polloi, the less than desirable who cannot afford a ticket.

Who said that Glastonbury is 'The Most Bourgeois Festival on the Planet'? Was it someone from Iron Maiden? Can't remember now but I do remember someone mentioning it.

Oh, the irony.
Obviously Jeremy Corbyn didn't understand that, nor did the crowds he was addressing.

durhamjen Fri 30-Jun-17 12:02:16

Off out, to buy some vegan cheese and sausages.

durhamjen Fri 30-Jun-17 11:11:22

Really, roses? You'll be telling me you don't believe in climate change next.

rosesarered Fri 30-Jun-17 11:10:01

Not as good dj as the help given to needy people over the years by the SA.

Anniebach Fri 30-Jun-17 11:09:03

varian, my opinion on some atheists, just as others give their opinion on Christians

rosesarered Fri 30-Jun-17 11:08:57

I think that both TM and JC ( both Remainers) are trying to accept and act on the majority vote at the referendum on the EU.They feel it is their duty to act on it, even if not 100% convinced personally that it is the right course of action.In fact I think JC is keener on it than TM.They are following a democratic vote which was voted on by all sides in Parliament to go ahead and act on the public vote.

durhamjen Fri 30-Jun-17 11:08:12

Veganism reduces greenhouse gases by 70%.
Is that not good, roses?

varian Fri 30-Jun-17 10:56:58

roses I was careful to say I did not think everyone who voted to leave was like that but that vocal minority of angry brexiters, and the journalists who encourage them, are the ones who seem to make quite a lot of politicians tremble and cower, including TM and JC.

rosesarered Fri 30-Jun-17 10:44:08

I think you are wrong in assuming from a few people on tv that everybody who is keen on Brexit is the same varian nor do I think it is anything to do with fear of a backlash that Corbyn accepts we are out of the single market ( we have to be.)
Corbyn is not a friend to the EU and never has been.

rosesarered Fri 30-Jun-17 10:40:23

I really don't think so dj ! ( that veganism has done as much good as The Salvation Army.)

varian Fri 30-Jun-17 10:34:52

roses it is a sad aspect of the times that the topic of brexit, and all its likely consequences seems inescapable. It affects every aspect of our lives.

I have been very struck by the cult-like religious fervour of so many angry brexiters, epitomised by a woman in audience of this week's Question Time who shouted that Britain used to be a great country, we did fine on our own, but since we joined with that lot everything's been dreadful, dreadful (or words to that effect) She was red in the face and looked as if she would explode.

There seem to be quite a lot of people like that, and I certainly don't mean everyone who voted to leave, but I think a daily diet of hate from the downmarket rightwing press and shock jocks like Katie Hopkins have fed this unquestioning blind faith. There is no reasoning with these people, they are only listening to echo-chamber soundbites and cliches.

To return to the subject of Corbyn, I think it is fear of a backlash from these people that has steered him towards a hard brexit. Rationality has gone out of the window and the party whips in both Labour and Tory parties ensure that those MPs who disagree with that stance are kept in their place, like the three front benchers who were sacked today.

trisher Fri 30-Jun-17 10:24:09

It isn't said now Annie. Most now believe that the belief in god serves a purpose in humans but that other things can do this just as well, Things like fulfilling your potential, moral goodness and questioning everything. That believing in god is one way of connecting with others and the world but there are others.

varian Fri 30-Jun-17 10:17:24

Annie what evidence do you have that "Those who show the most ostentatious display of piety have always been atheists" ???

durhamjen Fri 30-Jun-17 10:17:12

Veganism does a lot of good in the world, roses, as much as, if not more than, the Sally Army.

Anniebach Fri 30-Jun-17 10:13:42

Quite a few atheists here have found a god, they praise him daily, believe he can change the world, is a peace maker.

It has been said for many a year by psychologists that there is a need within everyone to have a faith in a higher being, if some cannot accept there is a God they will find someone/something to fill this need

rosesarered Fri 30-Jun-17 10:11:09

varian ..... who on here is talking about Brexit ( except you) must it be brought into every topic?

Anniebach Fri 30-Jun-17 10:05:27

Those who show the most ostentatious display of piety have always been atheists

varian Fri 30-Jun-17 09:59:04

Judging by the blind faith of the angry brexiters, brexit seems to be a new religion, and no you must not criticise it as they find it offensive and get even angrier

rosesarered Fri 30-Jun-17 09:55:15

Veganism is not a religion durham ( though I realise that to some people it almost is)
The Salvation Army does wonderful work....where there is a human need, they are there!

sunseeker Fri 30-Jun-17 09:49:58

I am a believer and yes I do pray for the dead because I believe we all have a soul and I pray that their souls can rest in peace.

There are those of a different faith or no faith at all and, of course, I accept and respect that.

I remember a priest once said to me that any religion which cannot take criticism or even ridicule will not last long - and Christianity as been around for 2,000 years!

whitewave Fri 30-Jun-17 06:52:38

My religion is humanism, but they are often far from wonderfulsadangryblushconfusedgrinshocksmile

That is some of the reasons i find humanism so fascinating

durhamjen Thu 29-Jun-17 22:45:02

So you are allowed to say the Salvation Army is wonderful?

My religion is veganism, and I think that's wonderful, as well as CND.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 29-Jun-17 22:40:05

I am upset and offended by the position some on here are trying to give their religion. Apparently if they mention their belief free speech has to stop! If you are going to be offended don't bring the subject up. Keep it in your head - along with the opinions you don't like being challenged either.

rosesarered Thu 29-Jun-17 22:14:31

Yes, you can, if you wish to upset or offend durham but few posters really want that.

durhamjen Thu 29-Jun-17 22:09:28

We can talk about religion any way we want, same as any other subject.

rosesarered Thu 29-Jun-17 22:08:52

....and the Salvation Army is wonderful.