Aimed at the Wrong People?

Good posts Iam64 ....it is the height of crassness to talk about religion in that way.

ana if you had read the whole of my post you would realise that as far as I am concerned for the reason I have given have closed the subject.

What do you mean by them being 'utterly immaterial' whitewave?

I'll go along with that too Eloethan

I'm afraid I have little time for any organised religions and ostentatious displays of piety.

I very much respect people of faith who accept that others have different beliefs from their own, and who put their faith to good use by helping others, especially when it is inconvenient or unpopular to do so.

I know some of you will not understand my point of view but I genuinely cannot understand the concept of praying for the dead. I did ask someone to explain, and I apologise if my second post offended. I was probably trying to elicit a response to my first question.

But I'm still in the dark.

And yes, people are entitled to their faith or to their atheism.

Of course they were iam !!! They would be utterly immaterial if they didn't. But I stick by my point. I will not continue with this conversation as it may upset too many people and I don't want to question their beliefs. Windows and souls etc.

I do t dispute any of that ww.
Which organisations were at he front of offering practical and emotional support at Grenfell, the Churches,
My charity of choice when recycling clothes and household items, is the Salvation Army. They work with people on the very edges of our society,
No one could claim religion hasn't been involved in wars or terrorism. That isn't a reason to dismiss any faith as nonsense.
I'm watching Broken, written by the wonderful Jimmy McGovern. It portrays the Catholic Church in all its complexity. I feel our society will lose a lit if we simply dismiss all faiths and believers as hypocritical losers .

Iam, I'm afraid it is not only those who do not believe who could be seen as making remarks others may not like. We also had good Christians telling us that someone is better because they prayed with the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Jen is right; this started out as an unpleasant thread, designed to cause trouble rather than clarity - sadly it appears to be succeeding.

I am an atheist and a lapsed confirmed Christian, with a strong Christian upbringing.

What I find so very difficult to come to terms with, and why I can no longer believe in a higher being, is the extraordinary hypocracy I see emanating from all religions.

Wars are carried out in religious faiths, people are slaughtered in religious faith, people are left to starve when a professed religious vastly wealthy country does absolutely nothing to save those dear children. People are drowning as I write this who are surrounded by countries of faith.

Excuse my cynicism, but that is why I agreed with nanny

It started as being very unpleasant, though, Iam.

Hear, hear Iam64. People who believe pray for the souls of the dead. Let's give reigion a break on here, please.

This is another very unpleasant thread now.
I have a faith, it's not something I talk about much. I find so many people feel they have the right to dismiss anyone with faith as daft, or prepared to believe in magic. I wouldn't dream f being so offensive to those with no, or different faiths.
Praying for the dead isn't about 'phopbf they 'get a better seat in heaven'. Dismissive, is unnecessary and negative,
What about a more gentle style of posting, to go along with the more gentle style of politics many of us would like to see.
What kind of example do our generation want to set for the younger people? I live in a town where we have a large Muslim population. We are an umbrella town for asylum seekers, as are many other former mill towns in the north west. We have a growing pipulation of African Muslims who I hope will find common ground with their Pakistan Muslim neighbours,
The evangelical Church is full to bursting. The congregation includes White a British and many fairly newly arrived Africans. Are they to be dismissed by posters here, with The ease found possible for Theresa May's faith
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Seems like this has declined into a slanging match- May did/ didn't do X / Corbyn did / didn't do Y. We don't really know what people do/ don't do when not reported unless we were there so don't pretend to.

Here here nanny

Why would anyone pray for a dead person? I just don't get it. Will it get them a better seat in heaven? Like an upgrade perhaps?

Pity nobody gave them some thought and practical help while they were still alive and might benefit from it

Something else aimed at the wrong people?
Aimed at the right people for the wrong reasons?

news.huffingtonpost.com/t/t-l-kjiytjl-bdttdydit-d/

She was joined by Arch Bishop of Canterbury and others for a private service, no use for Corbyn, private and no cameras

For what it's worth, I found out that she prayed in private from a friend not through the media. Let's face it she can't do right for doing wrong, so - [shrug]

He didn't go until the afternoon, I daresay she could have squeezed a visit in.

How do we know she was praying in private? Because she told us.....hmm not private then. Nothing wrong with a hug for a distressed victim. Prince W showed that as well....

Bit late to offer up prayers for the victims. What good will that do?

Unlike JC, she was responsible for dealing with this disaster in a practical way. All JC had to do was go and offer tea and sympathy. No practical responsibility for him! Photoshots are so easy when someone else has to do the nitty gritty.

Well of course she could always have gone before him..

To have people mock her for climbing on JC's coat tails? I don't think so!