Aimed at the Wrong People?

I understand that any tents, air beds, chairs etc are cleaned up and donated to refugee camps.
Many of the people doing the clearing up are volunteers.
It takes about three weeks, and once all the obvious stuff has been removed they drag large magnets over the fields to pick up anything that's too small to see, so the cattle don't pick up harmful stuff when they're grazing.
Having said all that, the festival goers should be more responsible, there are are many large skips around the site for disposing of rubbish.

Good well informed post HurdyGurdy

I'm off to the Fringe in August. Wonder if he'll turn up there?

Your posts always are to the point suzied and make good sense.

Glastonbury has many stages, different activities, crafts, comedy, poetry etc, a politician giving a speech is just another event people can choose to listen to or not. The organisers invited JC. He accepted this invitation. No problem. Theresa May in her hapless election campaign chose to speak at venues which just included her supporters. Her choice.

Judging from the crowds seen on the TV footage there are many older music fans at Glastonbury, and some of the acts over the years are older than us!

I can't find anything more recent than this 2015 article:

Telegraph

A 2013 census from Festival Insights found that 20 per cent of festival attendees were aged 45-65, while 3 per cent were either under 16 or over 65. A recent survey from Staysure insurance revealed that Glastonbury was the number one festival of choice for those over 50, followed closely by the BBC Proms.

Forgot to say, I love Glastonbury but consider myself too old to attend anymore. I do however watch it on TV, my husband and I are certainly not rich or priviledge, just music lovers, as I suspect are all the festivalgoers. Incidentally, some of my friends still attend and they are not rich either.

I wonder if this age group realise that Labour support brexit and presumably if they were to get into power would continue with the UK's withdrawal from the EU?

Oh my, somebody got out of the wrong side of bed. There is never a reason for being rude to other people on here. I don't believe that Glastonbury or any other festival is the place for any politician to give a speech.

Well, my 25 year old son has returned home from his fifth Glastonbury visit. He and the three friends of his that we took to the festival returned home complete with clothes, tents and sleeping bags. The only things they did not return home with were approximately six cases of beer/cider, although my son has assured me that their rubbish was disposed of in the correct allocated locations.

He is not rich, privileged, well heeled or any of the other veiled insults thrown around on this thread. He is a young man who loves music, loves festivals in particular, and lives at home, and can therefore spend most of his income, after his bills have been paid, on following his interests. He and his friends save all year round to be able to pay for their tickets. (For my son, this is likely to change as from next week, as he is starting a new job which will entail him leaving home and living independently, and finding out how good things were living at home and how damned expensive is when you live independently!)

As for the insults also being bandied around at the performers - clearly these are assumptions by the ill informed. The headliners may be rich outside of the festival, but they don't get rich from the festival, as per this quote from Emily Eavis, the organiser - "She told BBC 6 Music’s Matt Everitt that acts earn “less than 10%” of what they could make at other festivals.We're not in a situation where we're able to just give people enormous amounts of money," she explained. "So we're really grateful for the bands that we get, because they're basically doing it for the love of it"

Yes, there are older bands, but Glastonbury has over 100 stages, not all of which are decided to the bands shown on the BBC highlights shows. There are many different types of performers, some well known to many, some well known to a few, and there is the "introducing stage" where new bands get their chance to perform to new audiences

I am told that Glastonbury is a non profit making festival, and that all monies after expenses are given to charity (charities?)

The rubbish left behind at ALL festivals, is depressing and shocking. At Glastonbury if tents etc are properly packed up and placed in a specific location(s) they are donated to charities. However, it isn't feasible for staff to go around the various camping areas on the farm and collate bits and pieces of equipment and make "whole tents" out of the bits and pieces, and so those abandoned tents are just dumped. It is disgraceful, and the abandoned equipment is left behind by the whole range of festival goers, be they rich, "poor" (but still able to find the money for a week's debauchery), left wing, right wing, old or young. Every "type" is guilty of this and should be ashamed of themselves.

And as for Jeremy Corbyn - doesn't he ONLY turn up to preach to the converted, or where he is assured of a "whoop whoop" response? My son was enthralled to have seen him, and said that JC got the biggest cheer he'd heard at the festival all week. However I do think it made the week very politically biased, and even if "they thought Theresa May wouldn't show up", if they should have invited her and/or representatives from all political parties. It is primarily a music festival, not a political call to arms.

Corbyn relates better to people and most younger people appreciate that.

I think Heseltine is just using it it have a pop at May, because he hates her.

He's not really talking about the ages of the politicians, but the voters and he's right. The majority of under 45s voted Labour in the last election. The problem for Labour is that the number of over 45s outnumber the under 45s. The pyramid shows that and is probably more uneven in practice, because there is a high number of non-voting EU citizens in the under 45s group.

The highest numbers of switchers in the last election in the last election were in the 25-35 group (not the youngest) and it's easy to understand why. They're the ones who are having to delay getting mortgages and starting a family, who are affected by cuts to tax credits, are having to pay higher pension contributions, are finding it harder to find good jobs, etc, etc. They are strongly Remain.

That's interesting, daphne, but why would May getting out make any difference to that?
Corbyn's older than she is, and can tap in to the younger generations. I can't think of any Tory who would do that.

No, it wasn't peaseblossom, but I'm bored with arguing the point.

May should listen to Michael Heseltine:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/conservative-voters-dying-off-lord-michael-heseltine-tory-part-elderly-support-base-pensioners-a7798386.html

Very strange, that, considering they are the groups threatened most by May.

Goodness daphne, it really is only the old and the middle-aged rich she is winning with.

Anya I do hope so. The only reason he got so many votes is because he made loads of promises he could not possibly hope to keep, because there just wouldn't be the money.

..many times to Glastonbury. It's just a laugh, in a bubble, too much alcohol etc to be bothered with politics!...who's to say how old you gotta be to do anything!

IPSOS Mori poll (after 2017 election)

If you've read the New Statesman article, you'll see that Dan Allington admitted he was wrong when he thought Corbyn's appeal was all about virtue signalling romantics.

I follow Dan Allington on Twitter and there are some quite heated exchanges between him and political scientists. As time goes on, they're able to build up a bigger picture, as more polls are done.

To be fair dj, May wasn't treated too badly in Liverpool.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/joe-anderson-reveals-what-said-13237129

Thank you for linking that piece jalima
Virtue signalling middle class romantics like Corbyn himself Sums it up.

Well, exactly, Eloethan, although I wish you'd stop sending all your Conservatives to Essex .

What's this about LibDems with delusions of grandeur? I'm a LibDem and I've never met a bunch of people who are "less grand".

The most significant indicator of voting intention at the moment is age with about 45 being the turning point.

She was in Liverpool being booed at.

Although I live in East London whose inhabitants are, on average, significantly less well off than other parts of London, the road I live in is quite a nice one and, judging by the amount of home improvements going on, a relatively well off one. However, during the last election campaign there were several Labour posters displayed on it.

Just because someone is fairly comfortable, doesn't mean they won't vote Labour. Conversely, just because a person is quite poor doesn't mean they will vote Labour. In London, and especially in less wealthy areas, it is inevitable that you will be living fairly near "poor people" - and a variety of different nationalities. Those who aren't happy about that - like a Conservative friend of mine who has decamped to Essex - usually move further out as soon as they are able. I, and many of my other friends - mostly Lib Dems, Greens and Labour, but including a few Conservatives - have lived here for 30 years or more. Just because you have a couple of Lib Dem friends with delusions of grandeur doesn't mean that they are representative of Lib Dems - or indeed anybody but themselves.